Showing posts with label gay. Show all posts
Showing posts with label gay. Show all posts

Friday, April 8, 2016

I don't get these "religious freedom" bills

I am not an expert in the law, but when you open a business, I think there is the assumption that you will encounter undesirable/offensive patrons now and then. But most enterprises will still accept their money, because the bottom line is often more important than principle. Sure, if people are blatantly violating your code of conduct or basic decency, you can refuse the right to serve (and call the authorities on them). But $1 from Jack or Jill or Ahmed should be accepted equally, otherwise you are biased.

For equal opportunity employment, there are federal laws and it's pretty clear. If Jack is qualified to do the job, and you hire him, then you must give equal consideration if Jill (or a person with some sort of differentiating feature like age, sexual orientation, disability, etc.) has equivalent qualifications. And you can't retaliate against workers who complain about prejudicial treatment.

For a private business, I'm less clear. But if these MS and NC style laws spread, it sets a dangerous precedent. I know we give special protections for religion, and Christianity is the dominant faith in the US, but we all are entitled to equal protection under the law, even those without a faith. Anyone can come up with some sort of reason to refuse service to a patron because they disagree with some element of their behavior/persona (or are "offended" by it). But I'm sorry, in the US we have the right to offend, just not harm. You are guaranteed to life and liberty (tell that to poor urban black youth though), but not an offense free life.

The MS law narrowly states (according to USA Today): "The denial of certain services to the LGBT community based on any of three religious beliefs -- that marriage is between a man and a woman, that sex is proper only within such a marriage, and that people are male or female based on their genetics and anatomy at birth."

So are those the only considerations that matter? Why not expand it to Jews, who after all, rejected Jesus' teachings and condemned him? Would America be OK with that? Plenty of heterosexual (and Christian) couples engage in sodomy/anal sex. Do you need a questionnaire to screen those folks out of your establishment too? Would such a business be sustainable?

What if I am a Satanist and I am offended by Christians, so I refuse to serve and hire them? Supporters of the law have to be OK with that, right? Selective beliefs/outrage always tick me off; so John Q Baker doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding (sinful abomination), but he is OK to sell pastries to a clearly obese person (gluttony, deadly sin)? And just because he refused to bake that wedding cake, did he stop those 2 men from getting hitched? Likely not. So what was the point, that he can go home with a clear conscience? Well he can tell St. Peter, and also admit that he refused to act with compassion and love that day. If Mr. Baker cares so much, why not take some time to talk to the gay couple and use your wits/morals to convince them to change their ways? Nope, it's just easier/lazier to discriminate. And even that is flawed - I am sure some gay customers slip through the cracks and still get service. So you let down your god! How can you live with yourself?

I am not too concerned about these laws because I think they are poorly thought out and destined to be struck down by a higher ruling. It's probably hasty backlash against the recent SCOTUS rulings about gay marriage, gay adoption, employer covered contraception, etc. Religious conservatives feel like their belief system (and "traditional American values") are under attack, yet I bet most of them never even encounter a gay couple in their daily affairs, so is their life so much worse now? Even if I was against Obamacare, I would have to admit that I don't feel its effects at all in my daily life, so I can't claim any harm, apart from "feeling offended."

Grow up. Sometime you don't get your way, and sometime you don't approve of what others are doing. That is compromise and living in a mixed society, and Christians are still the majority faith with the most sociopolitical power. We should strive to protect everyone's freedoms as much as possible, but not at the expense of discriminating another group. Because then who gets to decide who wins and loses in each case? I thought conservatives were opposed to the gov't picking winners and losers? Just another display of hypocrisy. I don't even know why I wasted 30 min of my life writing about this issue. It's so ludicrous it's almost comical.

Saturday, January 23, 2016

The Imitation Game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5CjKEFb-sM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra

I would recommend it (of course it was an indep. film), and it was a new angle on the WWII unsung hero story (how nerds/misfits helped win the war in a big way, and struggled with skeptics/haters and big moral decisions).

Reflecting on WWI-WWII, I think it was one of the greatest tragedies in modern history that the Western powers allowed GER to fall into extremism and aggression. Like Russia's revolutions and purges were of course a terrible waste of human capital, but Russia was pretty much a 3rd world country until recently.

For GER, they were world leaders in various scientific and cultural disciplines, and of course had a robust military and industries. Sure they did some bad things during WWI, but they weren't clear "villains", and the punishment imposed on them was unjust - I guess fueled by victor's hubris and other irrationality.

As far as UK-FRA were concerned, they wanted to kick GER down a few notches so they wouldn't ever again be a rival for preeminence in W Eur? But I suppose no one ever considered trying to make GER an ally in order to gain strength and plan for a potential face off with Russia/Bolshevism. Well, WWI and postwar leaders in UK-FRA were not exactly impressive.

Clearly the EU learned that lesson the hard way, but I wonder what history would have been like if the Allies approached post-WWI GER with a Marshall-plan/NATO mentality rather than the typical European to-the-victor-go-the-spoils approach. I know we can't expect those leaders to have implemented ideas ahead of their time, but I'm fairly sure there were some intellectuals who were proposing similar things but getting dismissed. Heck they idealistically made the League of Nations, even though it was terribly flawed.

So you wonder how much better the world would be today if Western powers harnessed GER's potential to advance humanity and modern values, vs. all the resources allocated for WWII activities (and WWII just led to another wasteful military buildup that fortunately didn't escalate). Maybe the same can be said about post-Napoleonic France, but that was still the monarchic period, and leaders were understandably scared of Fr. Revolutionary thinking.   

But all that shows how even advanced nations can so quickly devolve into xenophobia, ultra-nationalism, and barbaric aggression with the proper external/internal pressures and extremist messages from leaders. Trump and white-working-class anger are milder manifestations, and I don't think the US is at risk in the forseable future, but it is a shame any time a world power with so much potential for good strays off the higher path and instead becomes a negative force in the world.

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And re: Alan Turing and Project Ultra, it's very sad but typical that the gov't he worked hard to preserved ended up screwing him and literally killing him (he was outed as gay, and the backward laws/medicine at the time prescribed hormonal therapy with bad side effects - he committed suicide a year after treatment began). And if you're gay and smart, of course you're a commie spy, so life must not have been pleasant for him during the postwar years (esp. since he couldn't tell the world his wartime actions, so no one knew he was a hero).

Imagine all the other great contributions he could have made to society had he not been persecuted to an early death. And in the context of WWII, the conflict is depicted as good vs evil, and tyranny vs freedom. But if you were a woman, black, gay, Jew, or another minority, neither the Axis nor Allies treated you very well. of course the Axis treated those groups worse, but if you were a member of one of those groups, you had to wonder WTF you were fighting for. I guess it's like US blacks during the Civil War too - it's not like they had it so great if the Union won, and Abe Lincoln was probably the most pro-equality president (it took him a while, but he really became a champion) until LBJ and Obama. But they were in a tough position to support the least evil side (but not nec. a good side for them, which unfortunately did not exist).

So a woman who was brilliant at maths but couldn't get a professional job in the UK because of her gender, and a math genius who had to hide his sexuality in the UK, significantly contributed to the Allies defeating the Nazis faster, with potentially millions of lives saved on both sides. That should be a big lesson about what social values we should fight and die to protect, and what harm we cause when we marginalize, exclude, and block our neighbors from reaching their potential (yes I'm looking at you, 2016 GOP).

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Lastly, we know of the WWII folks as the Greatest Generation, and despite their prejudices and ignorance, I really do think they were great in terms of prudence and discipline. As depicted in The Imitation Game, the UK gov't first had to identify a path to victory (partly by cracking the Enigma settings puzzle), then recruit, fund, and trust a team who could deliver in time (a group of "rejects" with unorthodox methods). They had to let them do it their way, and not stifle their creativity with bureaucracy/meddling. Then once the puzzle was solved, they had to keep it a secret and strategically select interventions that had the highest statistical probability to (a) win the war fastest, and (b) not tip off the Nazis that Enigma was cracked. The same can be said of the Manhattan Project, but Ultra was more complicated from a game theory perspective, because there was the element of the German's actions/reactions that they couldn't control but had to predict.

I really don't think Western leaders and armed forces of today could have executed a project so well, and made the tough but correct decisions. You see how our "best and brightest" messed up the War on Terror and the War on Drugs - and that is when we enjoy huge resource advantages. But maybe that is the problem, advantage leads to overconfidence. We drank our own Kool Aid too much re: American exceptionalism. For the UK (and WWII Allies overall), the prospect of losing was very real (and they were losing until 1942), and it forced them to rise to the occasion.

Today, the sad truth is our best and brightest do not go into gov't and public leadership. Both the gov't and the individuals are at fault for this, but the gov't more so (reasons? just watch a session of Congress or a GOP debate). Obama and Bill Clinton are exceptions, but the majority of politicians these days do not have the "right stuff" to even make it as a mediocre middle manager or professional in the private sector. They are seriously worthy of ridicule, not admiration.

I would hope that if/when the next WWII-scale crisis arises, our best minds and leaders will participate (and be allowed to participate in the right roles). But the problem is that many of our modern problems are not acute, but slow bleeds, like climate change, injustice, and terrorism. There isn't a sense of urgency for the Zuckerbergs and Musks of the world to enter public service (not that those guys are natural leaders with great moral compasses, but they are very smart/capable, even if their EQs were borderline autistic in their earlier years as CEO). Or they cling to the unproven libertarian belief that the private sector corporate model is in the best position to solve humanity's biggest problems. I disagree; Zuck couldn't even get India to accept his free internet, so there are obvious limits as to how much good one firm (and its army of lawyers, PR, and marketers) can do.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-criticized-in-india-over-free-limited-internet-1453398493

Sunday, May 18, 2014

Fascinating origin story of HIV

Ffwd past the Typhoid Mary story if you are short on time (to about 15:00).

Monday, July 29, 2013

Intolerance, the GOP, and "Christian" values

I totally missed this one, and shame on you all for not bring it up either. J/K :)

"The Newsroom" mentioned this in tonight's episode. Apparently at one of the forgettable and often pathetic 2011 GOP primary debates hosted by FNC, they aired a clip of a soldier serving in Iraq who just came out as gay on YouTube and asked the candidates if they would roll back the progress that gay and lesbian soldiers have made. Loud boos came from the audience, and not a single candidate had the courage (not even courage, but minimum human decency) to support that soldier - who was taking a major risk - and chastise members of the crowd who were disrespectful. At least in 2008 McCain had the decency to correct the people who were spouting Obama lies/hate/fear (much to his political peril among some conservatives, unfortunately). The question was directed at major bigot Santorum, who blah blahed a little about how sexuality has no place in the military (and he got cheers for that). Just like how racism is no longer a problem in the US, and abstinence is the best way to fight AIDS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c-Ijky95dc

I guess during that summer of GOP debates, there were also regrettable crowd reactions like cheers for TX's prolific executions and letting the sick uninsured die. But for the "pro-military" party, I can't believe how they handled the gay soldier issue. He had to hide who he was, and probably endure a lot of homophobic conversation weekly, just to live through 120 degree heat and get shot at/blown up. All that because he cared enough to serve the US in the armed forces. And I think this was the first time in a long time that the entire GOP field had not served in uniform at all. So yeah, they have every right to pass judgment and hang that soldier out to dry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xT1iMvTwYI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irx_QXsJiao

Well, after the repeal of DADT and various state and federal court rulings, one could argue that the LGBT crowd got the "last laugh" and are on a winning streak vs. the old, hateful ways of a certain wing of the GOP. Obviously there's a long way to go before sexual orientation discrimination is no longer an issue, but we have to hold people accountable when they are exhibiting shameful behaviors. I don't think Romney's trouncing has done anything to reverse the undercurrents of bigotry that exist in some of the GOP, and frankly I don't know what will. But for those who believe that homosexuality is a sin, a choice, a disease, a deviant lifestyle, etc... how is this for thought?

There are plenty more damaging and even deadly transgressions discussed in the Bible that we should probably address before we try to eradicate homosexuality from society. For those who are so against gays and the "sin" that they represent - are they just as intolerant and vociferously opposed to the rampant selfishness and greed that has caused great suffering and even deaths worldwide during the recession? Are they similarly protesting the brutality and violence of our penal system and foreign policies? And will they also boo those who show a total lack of Christian compassion for the poor, the sick, and the mistreated (and may even contribute to their pain)? Fight those fights first, because as far as I know Jesus didn't bring up homosexuality even once in all the Gospels. And if he did, I really doubt it was in the context of booing them.

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Come on, that's just LIBERAL MEDIA talk. The right and honorable Mr. Rick Santorum totally would have condemned those boos...if he had heard them.

"I condemn the people who booed that gay soldier. That soldier is serving our country. I thank him for his service to our country. I’m sure he’s doing an excellent job; I hope he is safe and I hope he returns safely and does his mission well.
I have to admit I seriously did not hear those boos. Had I heard them, I certainly would have commented on them. But, as you know, when you’re in that sort of environment, you’re sort of focused on the question and formulating you answer, and I just didn’t hear those couple of boos that were out there. But certainly had I, I would've said, “Don’t do that. This man is serving our country and we are to thank him for his service.”

I mean, you could barely even hear those boos, how could he have known they were booing? Or what exactly they were booing? Maybe they were booing something else.:
"Kelly brings up an excellent point, sharing that it was unclear whether those booing were doing so because of the soldier, or the content of his question"

Because if that was the case, then it would have been totally okay right?

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Haha thx. Gotta love the excuse machine. That's kind of amazing that 10 candidates + the moderator didn't hear anything from what seemed to be dozens/hundreds of booers in the crowd. They were just too dialed in! They presumably heard the question (which they were concentrating on) and the video... so putting 2 and 2 together, could they at least acknowledge that soldier's patriotic service and legit concerns, apart from the issue of crowd boos? They acted like that man didn't even exist, and Kelly was giving them a hypothetical question. Humanizing an issue with an actual personal example makes it harder to blanket stereotype and hate (kudos to Google and Fox for that I guess). I guess that's debating for dummies 101 though: when you don't like the question or direction of the discussion, just pretend it never happened and talk about what you want to talk about.

At least in 2008 McCain had the decency to respectfully and diplomatically correct people who were spouting Obama lies/hate/fear (much to his political peril among some conservatives, unfortunately). And McCain was a fogey probably going deaf and senile at the time. He heard the boos and did the right thing. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c-Ijky95dc

Sunday, November 9, 2008

Gay marriage cont'd


Yeah I totally agree with your last point. One of my really good friends at work here is gay and she is (was, I guess now...) planning on getting married to her long time partner. On Wednesday afternoon, a lot of people in our office were scanning the polls to see if Prop 8 had passed or not. Finally late in the day it looked like 8 was going pass. My friend got teary and said "I can't believe that so many people in California hate me." To me, it's like what the F...how can people who have gay friends or relatives look them in the eye and basically think "No, I don't want you to have the same rights as me." I just don't get it.


Anyway, I'd rather spend $50,000 on a Lex or a Benz than a political campaign! At least mortgage your children's future for something tangible, preferably with lots of bling. Arrgggg...

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The no on prop 8 ad that was talking about how other races used to not be able to marry and such was Samuel L. Jackson, so I assume they were appealing to blacks with that one.

And I also have a hard time understanding, maybe the better word is believing, someone when they say they are not against gays but only against gay marriage.

I have debated, recently, a lot of religious folks, non religious but first generation Americans (i.e. strong traditional values from their country of origin), “normal folks” etc. And at this point I haven’t talked with a single one whose argument doesn’t boil down to negative reactions to homosexuality. Either they don’t want their children to turn gay, they think being gay is immoral intrinsically, it varies, but the jist is homosexuality = bad.

And of those that I have debated, in general the black folks are either insulted or just disagree with the position that gay marriage is the same thing as black civil rights. Homosexuality is a choice, it’s a lifestyle, its unnatural, and the arguments go on. But until African Americans at large can associate homosexual acceptance with civil rights, they won’t be changing their minds any time soon.

Someone else brought up the fact that in contrast to blacks or Chinese or whoever not being able to intermarry, gays CAN marry, they just can’t marry other gay folks. That is almost like the opposite of laws that existed in times gone by where interracial marriage was the taboo and black marrying blacks was no problem.

But to my main point, I reject the idea that you can be anti gay marriage and for gay rights, or the homosexual lifestyle or say that you are tolerant of their lifestyle. And all my experience to this point has proven this out.

As to abortion, I can at least accept the idea that there is ambiguity on when life begins. I can intellectually understand how two reasonable people can look at the same evidence and disagree in their final decision. No religion, intolerance, etc required. Gay marriage seems to require something extra to reject, intolerance or hate or prejudice whatever the case may be.

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Thx M's for the comments, and props to G for even getting to the last point on one of my long-winded emails! Regarding your coworker - I can understand why she's upset. But of course it's not like the "Yes on 8" people "hate" her specifically, or gays in general. Unfortunately we live in a very competitive, adversarial, fragmented society. Giving concessions or benefits to one group may be perceived by others as doing so at their expense. They would rather "protect what's theirs" than give gays something that seems to diminish what they already have, regardless of the hurt it causes to gays. For lack of a better metaphor, maybe it's like rich people lobbying Congress to cut their taxes by reducing welfare benefits to the poor? So it's not like the rich hate the poor and want to punish them (well, not all rich people at least), but they want what they think is rightfully theirs, and are willing to take from another group to do so.

But I heard a very sage comment from one gay woman interviewed by KQED. She said that she was planning to marry her longtime partner as well, but despite this unfortunate voting result, she knows that no one can attack the love they share - and that's more important than any official title like marriage or whatnot. If everyone was so humble, then we wouldn't even have this conflict. Not to say that gays should just accept it, but non-gays also could also say, "Gays may be marrying, but nothing that anyone else does can take away from the sanctity of my bond with my spouse, so it doesn't matter." Separation of church and state? Certainly, but let's also remember separation of public and private life. America is a great land because our private practices are no business of others or the state (within reason). But that freedom carries the responsibility that we must also respect others' wishes, even if we don't agree with them.

Yes I agree with M's comments and also think it's strange for some people to say they oppose gay marriage, but are not homophobic. Obviously people are more bigoted than they admit, and homosexuality is not well accepted worldwide (if CA gays feel bad now, maybe they could visit Tehran for a week and see how good they have it actually). So immigrants will bring those sentiments with them here. I know gays may never be able to change some minds, but better PR from them fostering better public perceptions would really help their cause. But maybe the fundamental difference is that homosexuality doesn't really affect non-gays, because in general they don't have to see it publicly. But for gay marriage, just to know that it's legally equivalent to hetero marriage, and worry that their kids will be confused in school or other stereotypes, makes them oppose it? I heard one voter say, "I am not even against gay marriage, but just I don't want my kids being taught those things." Even though most of those fears are unwarranted, how can you get through to people who think like that, especially with the anti-gay-marriage side stirs up their paranoia?

I also find it funny that interracial or inter-religious unions used to be discouraged or even illegal, yet homosexual marriage is now under fire. But the rationale seems to be similar. "Traditionalists" and narrow-minded people didn't want their faith or race polluted by lesser humans, and don't want gay marriage to take away from hetero marriage's status. It's an ideology I guess. However, I do disagree with those who want to equate their situation with the black Civil Rights struggle. As recently as the 1960s, blacks couldn't even be in the same restaurant as whites, were assaulted rather than protected by the police, and their disenfranchisement was tolerated. Gays have it much, much better, and I think it may insult or at least turn off some blacks if they try to draw parallels with their people's past suffering. Plus, it's not like blacks have totally overcome as the old song said. All the statistics suggest that blacks are still doing much worse in America than gays, even if our next president is half black. But that is mostly symbolic, and the fact that Obama won will not in itself do much to improve the lives of millions of American blacks still marginalized or burdened by the legacies of racism.

And the stakes have raised...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_re_us/mormon_backlash_boycott

I would expect this type of response from the pro-gay movement, but it is counter-productive and hypocritical. Not all Christians are against them, and probably not all Mormons either. No matter how they may look down on or dislike Mormons on a personal level, it's not right for people who promote (or even demand) tolerance to behave so intolerantly to their political opponents. If that happens, then they lose their moral high ground. They say that Mormons have gone from persecuted to persecutor, but obviously that is quite a stretch (the latter part). Gays are not "second class citizens" in CA or most of America. They are protected under the same rights that we all are, the same rights as Mormons or the KKK (no relation). It's not like they are stoned in the streets, barred from owning businesses, or forced to wear rainbow armbands. Exaggeration won't help their cause, and in fact suggests a victim's complex. "Persecuted" is not a term that should be used lightly, lest it lose its power to describe real instances of high injustice (Darfur, Palestine, etc.), which numbs people from feeling outrage and taking action.

It's not right to deface Mormon temples or defame an entire faith just because they don't agree with you. Collective punishment is ignorant, often bigoted, and even prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but few people pay heed. Mormons were one of many groups supporting "Yes on 8"; so why just single them out? Would they dare do the same thing to black churches who were also against them? And Utah is about 70% Mormon; if they boycott tourism and commerce there (ski industry, Sundance Festival, etc.), it will hurt thousands of innocent people who don't care about Prop 8 or may even support gay marriage. Similarly, it's ludicrous for conservative extremists to call for boycotts of "gay friendly" companies, just because they may donate to some gay rights groups. It's not like Microsoft or Ford are designing gayness into their products to brainwash non-gay users. But that demonstrates how hard it will be to bridge the gulf between the activists on each side of the debate (if you can call it that).

Bob Malone, CEO and president of the Park City Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Bureau, said it is unfair to try to punish certain industries or parts of the state over an issue it had nothing to do with.

"It's really not a Park City thing, and I don't see it as a state thing. That was more of a religious issue," he said. "To sweep people in who really have nothing to do with that issue and have no influence over religious issues — it's sad that people kind of think that and say, 'We're going to bury you.' It's sad to hear people talk like that."

Friday, November 7, 2008

More on gay marriage


In my opinion, spending your life savings to back a proposition of any sorts is completely and utterly irresponsible. I know that it's their right to spend the money however they see fit, but with five kids and a California economy that is sinking, that is just plain stupid.

The 69% vote from African Americans for Prop 8 is kind of shocking. IMO, it's also hypocritical of African Americans to vote for it after decades of their own fight against inequality. I'll just leave it to the California Supreme Court's own words from their May decision to allow same-sex marriage:

"An individual's sexual orientation — like a person's race or gender — does not constitute a legitimate basis upon which to deny or withhold legal rights."

And as usual, Jon Stewart expertly highlights the hypocrisy of the Mormon Church's fight against same-sex marriage:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=189782&title=i-now-denounce-you-chucklarry


Why can't people just let people live? If you don't approve of gay marriage, then don't get one and SHUT THE F*** UP.

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Well now you see why I prefer to discuss foreign policy issues. Sadly, the conflicts in the Middle East and Africa seem easier to comprehend than the bitter, emotional deadlocks we face on such social issues like gay marriage and abortion! But I appreciate your input M, and generally agree.

I too feel bad about the black voter reaction to gay marriage and whatnot. But despite being majority Democrat, most Christian blacks follow a fairly socially conservative version of the faith. There were a lot of "No on 8" radio ads narrated by an obviously black voice in order to maybe change their opinions, but to no avail. History seems to show that previously persecuted groups will generally not stick their necks out to assist other persecuted groups (especially when it could return them to persecuted status). And sadly, once persecuted groups obtain power, they may return the favor by persecuting their former abusers or others (Iraqi Shia being a recent example). That is probably what some xenophobes and white supremacist Americans fear about empowered blacks and the new Obama administration. But there were some positive examples, such as Northern Jews risking their lives to help Southern blacks in the Civil Rights struggle, and the Mandela-led reconciliation in South Africa. But unfortunately, it seems that persecution may just make minority groups more self-protective, even at the expense of others. Not to say that is happening with American blacks, but it's clear that many of them are not going out of their way to speak out for gays/immigrants/Muslims, but no more or less than other races I guess. It just depends on who become the new n*****s in our society: blacks, Indians, Poles, Irish, Italians, Chinese, Latinos, gays, Muslims. And unfortunately, the previous n*****s (after the mainstream decides to include them) often join the bandwagon to give the new n*****s a hard time.

Even with Obama, check out this link:

http://www.startribune.com/politics/20729974.html?location_refer=Nation

I guess it's more the fault of his campaign handlers than Obama himself, but he's the chief. They are so paranoid of the Arab-Muslim "slur" (so are "Baptist" and "British" slurs now too?), that they have gone to ludicrous lengths to "protect" Obama. Of all the hundreds of speeches he gave, he never ONCE said that Americans shouldn't be like that. He dissed McCain for not using email, but never said that it's ok to be Muslim, even if he isn't. But Obama just wanted to win, and had to neutralize this potential weakness, even if it meant failing to take a stand for what's right and insulting a subset of his supporters (Muslim Americans are heavily anti-GOP for obvious reasons). It does disappoint me and other liberals who believe that Obama could have shown more courage and inclusion, especially since he has criticized Bush for straining relations with the Muslim world and inciting backlash. As you said, isn't that hypocritical of a black man with a law degree, who should know a lot about injustice? But sorry to digress...

Funny Daily Show clip, thanks. Well, for the record only a few fringe Mormons practice polygamy, and I guess it's not totally mysogenistic - during their trek to Utah, many men died and the survivors felt obligated to care for the widows/orphans. Supposedly it's the same principle behind Muslim polygamy (many men died in wars and left their women in a bind, so other men picked up the slack). Not to say that I agree with it, but just a take on the history. There was an interesting documentary on Mormonism on PBS that my wife and I saw last month. I guess it went a few steps beyond the South Park parody haha. I couldn't really get my head around the concept that they believe we're all "celestial beings", and families were predestined to find each other on Earth, and then be together for eterninty in the celestial realm. Man, that must be truly hell if you have to live with your family forever! Maybe that partially explains why many Mormons take family very seriously and therefore feel strongly about perceived attacks on their "divine" family model.

Yes I agree with you about that family's spending. I didn't mention it to praise them, but rather to demonstrate how extreme some people's reaction to gay marriage can be. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they weren't manipulated into that decision by their church or "Yes on 8" minions. Those parents love their kids as much as the next family, and I guess they just felt that their savings, which could have been used to improve their kids' lives in many ways, was better spent as political influence. I guess to help shape a world where there are laws that better preserve their value system. I'm not saying it's sound thinking, but it's not like they're just jerks who want to pick on gays. Though I would question "activist religions" that would rather speak with their pocketbooks/lobbyists than humble deeds of love and charity. Thankfully we live in a "civil society" versus Congo or Iraq, where they settle their differences with bloodshed. But here we sometimes inflict sociopolitical violence on one another instead, which can be almost as hurtful.

Maybe pro-tolerance groups can't reach some people who have gone off the deep end, but it shouldn't have gotten to this point. Now pro-gay groups are protesting outside Mormon temples and such, which won't help anything. Shouldn't they know that some religious people crave nothing more than feeling righteously persecuted? Remember how bad it got with the Tom DeLay Congress and Terry Schiavo? Animosity just makes both sides want to circle the wagons and be less receptive to the other's views. Some people are truly homophobic, but others do mostly practice live and let live. However, those people's beliefs may compel them to want to "protect marriage" or other social standards. It's not good enough to them to go about their lives knowing that gay marriage is happening around them. I mean, would we sit idly by if we knew our next-door neighbor beat his wife and kids? I know it's not the same thing (and gay marriage is not a crime), but to the "Yes on 8" people, I guess they feel that it is their moral duty to take action and not just passively accept it, especially if people like Newsome keep flaunting it all over.

Same thing with abortion; they feel that a high crime is being committed and their conscience won't let them just tolerate it. Though the pro-life side may never accept anything less than "life begins at conception". At least with gay marriage, maybe in time the proponents can demonstrate that gay couples just want to mind their business, be happy, and don't have an agenda of spreading gayness. In fact, many preachers have said gay marriage is a good thing, because any sort of increase in monogamous commitment between two people in love strengthens family values and sends a good message in the community. Divorce and promiscuity are bigger threats to marriage than gay marriage is! So if traditionalists eventually lower their guard and feel comfortable that gays don't threaten heterosexual marriage, and don't want to brainwash their kids, then there's no problem, right? But that would require the pro-gay movement to maybe tone it down a notch, and not upset conservative sensibilities with flamboyant pride parades and such. That accentuates their differences, when really they should be striving to demonstrate humility, commonalities, and shared values.

Maybe living in CA we have a skewed sense of gay acceptance, since we are definitely on the more tolerant end of the spectrum (Prop 8 aside). Of course it's not like gays are getting lynched (at least not as often as blacks), but let's remember that public acceptance of homosexuality is not a given in America. Over half the states ban any sort of gay unions (like all of the South and Midwest). And "progressive" states like MI, WI, and OR also ban gay marriage. Only CT and MA have legal gay marriage, which is like 5% of America. Gays live pretty well in CA (not 100% equal, but who is?). I know they always have the right to ask for more, but let's be reasonable. Getting a black president elected was already a big step in 2008 - and blacks have been here from the start! Change is slow (especially social acceptance) and America might need more time with gay marriage.

But people often forget that it's a two-way street. If gays want more acceptance and equality, they need to do a much better job with PR and outreach to non-gays. Like half of Obama's campaign was about convincing America that he was one of us. Obama campaigners across the country "embedded" themselves in communities that might not have been very receptive to a black Democrat with a funny name. The locals came to like them, so they figured, "Well this guy is alright, and if he is so gung ho for Obama, maybe Obama is ok too." It's unfortunate that he had to go to such lengths, but at least he succeeded. Nothing breeds support for gay rights than non-gays having gay friends (or at least gays trying to reach out to non-gays and make a good impression).

Thursday, November 6, 2008

Gay marriage


http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081106/us_time/whygaymarriagewasdefeatedincalifornia

Currently, only MA and CT legalize gay marriage, but many other states offer same-sex civil unions and domestic partnerships that cover most of what marriage is in the legal definition. After 18,000 gay marriages performed in CA this year, its status is now uncertain (but it will be argued in the courts for years). I guess after the slim passing of CA's Prop 8, gay rights groups are wondering WTF happened and if they are still living in "liberal CA" (just last week it looked like the prop would fail 44-49, but it passed 52-48). And in Florida (Miami has another large gay community), a similar measure passed by a whopping 62-38. In 2004, 11 states passed bans (some going further, banning any sort of same-sex legal union, not just marriage), even blue states like MI and OR. Arizona, not the most gay-friendly state, rejected a constitutional ban on gay marriage just 2 years ago, but this week changed its mind and passed one. Actually, AZ is the only state on record to have ever rejected a gay marriage ban by vote, so such initiatives have at least a 93% success rate in recent history.

I guess with a potentially larger black voter turnout for Obama (this has been debated in the press), it might have been tougher for gay marriage to pass, since blacks are the most anti-gay-rights voting group in America, and 70% voted pro-8. Obama, the most popular and visible politician in years, didn't really address gay rights in his campaign (maybe fearful of the backlash Kerry incurred, and opposed to gay marriage from his religious beliefs), which was dissapointing to gays. Confusingly, he has publicly opposed both gay marriage and Prop. 8. Maybe he doesn't believe in gay marriage, but doesn't think that constitutional amendments are the proper way of addressing the issue? Gov. Arnold also opposed it, while McCain supported it.

Maybe a lot of the "silent majority" living in rural or suburban areas, who may have been overlooked or avoided participating in the polls, also favored bans. Well, their loss in CA can't be chalked up to money, since the "No on 8" side spent almost double what the pro side did ($44M to $25M). It was the most expensive campaign ever for a social issue. While the "No on 8" side got huge donations from Hollywood and other gay/liberal elites, the "Yes" side was funded by religious groups and families concerned (justifiably or not) that legalized gay marriage would erode the traditional family model and confuse their children. Some also consider it an abomination. The Sacramento Bee reported on a blue-collar Mormon family in CA that gave its entire savings ($50,000, and amidst a bad economy) to the "Yes on 8" campaign, after much agonizing and prayer. That is half the amount that rich Brad Pitt gave to the other side. The Mormon and Catholic churches, as well as Dr. James Dobson's "Focus on the Family", were large donors too, and many Christian preachers discussed it in their sermons (either for or against).

Legally, pro-gay groups are challenging if it's fair to have popular votes decide whether to amend state constitutions to block a minority group from having various benefits/rights such as marriage. Because obviously a minority group doesn't have the numbers to represent itself in a vote. A positive facet of American democracy is protection of minority rights, but not at the expense of the majority's "greater good" of course. It's a tough balance that we have and will struggle with for decades, but it's much better than Saudi Arabia or Russia. The CA constitution and others prohibit any sort of discrimination based identity characteristics, so is this discrimination? I'm not going to debate whether marriage is a right, a religious institution, or whatever, but obviously it's a sensitive, divisive, and challenging issue.

Some gays feel especially persecuted in America, and think that they are much less accepted than other minority groups (even illegal immigrants). I find that bizarre and maybe inaccurate, since the majority of hate crimes reported by the FBI are still against blacks and Jews (only 15% against gays). Obviously some discrimination does occur, but are they victims any more than other groups? There have been some very high-profile sucides and murders involving gays which may affect perceptions. But there are also several gay mayors and other politicians starting with Harvey Milk in the 1970s (unfortunately assassinated), and most recently the first gay man elected to Congress. Gays have been successful in the entertainment industry (as well as most other industries besides sport and military), and gay media is everywhere and similarly prevalent versus women's, black, or Latino media. There is no obvious education gap with gays (no stats on this, just my feeling), and a smaller income disparity between gays and straights (12% less, according to a recent study in Canada), versus whites and blacks (40% less) and men and women (20% less). We're not the most tolerant society, but we are very gay-friendly compared to other nations. Of course this varies by state and community. Religion obviously confounds the situation, since many faiths oppose homosexuality to various degrees (since it's generally viewed as a sin), while others have gone out of their way to be accepting, even at their own peril. This has caused a major rift in the American Episcopal Church (that allows gay preachers and elected a gay bishop). Some members have threatened to leave the church and join the International Anglican Communion instead (who prohibit gay preachers and marriages).

What also makes the matter more politically complex and high-stakes in America is the vast amounts of cash infused by a new elite gay lobby (see link below). I guess they recognize that money = power in politics, and they can't go about their struggle in the old grassroots ways that MLK and Cesar Chavez did (marches, sit-ins, etc.). Or maybe money achieves results more expediently than those other methods? I guess it worked for the Right, so why not? They've injected millions into gay groups and political races across the nation, namely in NY where they hope to expand Dem representation in their legislature to legalize gay marriage.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1854884,00.html

From Time:
The Cabinet [a small, secretive, wealthy group of pro-gay advocates and political donors] is emblematic of a larger shift on the left since 2004 in the direction of big-money politics, a shift most clearly seen in Barack Obama's refusal of public financing for his campaign. The Cabinet is only one of several flush, members-only liberal groups that have formed since 2004, the most famous (and richest) being the Democracy Alliance, whose sponsors include billionaires George Soros, Peter Lewis (father of Cabinet member Jonathan) and Pat Stryker (sister of Cabinet member Jon).

That raises questions: What does a civil rights movement look like in an era of massive wealth? Can you still inspire a grass-roots movement when all the street troops know that the billionaires can just write bigger checks? And is it possible that the left has become a movement as coldly obsessed with money as it always assumed the right was?

But I am not sure if this "big money shadow movement" is the best way to gain more gay acceptance in the US. I think it may make some average people more suspicious and hostile to them, even if it does get more pro-gay people elected. Like some perceptions of Jews, I don't think it benefits gays if some believe that gay puppet masters are pulling the strings of their leaders to advance a "gay agenda". People will be less likely to accept gays if they feel that gays only care about their own community needs. If you only care about yourself and your kind, you may find that no one else will either. If gays want non-gays to treat them better and give them more equality, I think they have to be sensitive and considerate of non-gay sensibilities too, and many are - if not for decency then for survival. I know it's frustrating that gays may have to placate and bend over backwards to accommodate non-gays, but that is the curse of minority status. Plus the alternative is much worse. Instead of just proclaiming that gay marriage is their right and no one should stop them, they could demonstrate to others that gay marriage really isn't a threat to non-gay values, live and let live, etc. Then everyone gets what they want, right? It shouldn't be about "I can do this because it's legal, so too bad for you", because obviously people can change the laws to stop you. So why not send the lawyers home and instead focus on a social movement for coexistence and understanding? It won't be easy, but it's better than our current standoff. After the results in 2004 and this year, I just hope it's not too late for both sides to work together.

It's easier to make friends of enemies than fight enemies (not that gays and straights are enemies, but just as a metaphor). Sometimes you have to fight for your rights, and fight to the death, but hopefully things haven't gotten that desperate for gays. You can fight injustice by sitting down and talking too, and sometimes you have to give a little to get a lot. Obama succeeded where the "angry black man" failed, and I think the same has to be done in the gay community. Defiance and militant pride may accomplish some goals, but also do harm. You have to reach out, and empathy for others breeds empathy for oneself. I am not sure if gay advocacy groups are doing that with their opponents, or just preaching to the choir. The sobering result in CA should make them rethink their approach. I think minorities have success and get more of what they want when they attempt to integrate with the mainstream and merge their interests, while hopefully not losing their heritage and unique identity in the process. So then, it's not "us-versus-them", but "what's good for you is good for me too". This applies to illegal immigration, La Raza, and whatnot.

Like that famous anti-gay marriage commercial in CA where SF Mayor Gavin Newsome said, "[Gay marriage] is going to happen, whether you like it or not!" I think that turns off a lot of centrist or previously ambivalent people. Some people may not like gay marriage at first, but at least they are willing to talk about it and may be open to change. But if you approach a sensitive issue so dominantly and egocentrically, it may harden your audience's hearts and make them less receptive to compromise/understanding. Then you just shot yourself in the foot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKn5LNhNto

Monday, May 26, 2008

The Oscars and minorities in film


Not that I really care about who won an Oscar and whatnot, but just some food for thought about the portrayal of minorities (blacks, rural peoples, and gays most recently) in Hollywood and how they earn praise/awards.

People are buzzing about the fact that black actors/actresses seem to only win these days for portraying unsavory or stereotypical “black characters”. Denzel delivered powerful performances in “Malcolm X” and “The Hurricane” that struck gold in many experts’ minds. He’s an “actor’s actor” in the eyes of his peers. However, his only Oscar win is for his portrayal of a degenerate, gangstafied LAPD cop in “Training Day”. Halle Berry is obviously talented beyond her physical assets (let’s forget about “Catwoman” for the time being), and she won for “Monster’s Ball” (playing an lower-class single mother at her wit’s end). Terrence Howard earned a lot of praise for his work in Crash (acting as a “normal” suburban black man), but he received the nomination for playing a pimp-turned-rapper in “Hustle & Flow”. Black musicians have done great work in movies for decades, but the Three Six Mafia won for best song about the challenges of pimpin’. All this is generally harmless to us, and some might find it funny, but it does raise some eyebrows.

Anecdotally, these characters do resemble real people in the world, but as the NPR pundits discussed in the links below, they do not represent the mainstream of African-American society. But since when did Hollywood want or care to represent the mainstream? There’s little entertainment value in the mainstream, however they run the risk of giving the wrong impression to the viewers. Are they such conscientious, responsible artists as they allege? Could this be an explanation why Sidney Poitier, Denzel, and other prominent black actors convinced Terrence Howard to decline to perform “It’s Hard Out Here for a Pimp” at the Oscars because of it’s supposed negative lyrics? Howard actually rapped the track in the movie, so it is customary for him to perform at the awards show. In contrast, it’s ok for the ghetto-fabulous and controversial Three Six Mafia to rap the song (with substantial censoring beforehand, of course), but not golden boy, safe-for-mainstream-consumption Howard? Most people can identify stereotypes and avoid making improper assumptions, but still it’s disconcerting for Black America when most of the award-winning depictions of their people on the silver screen are total exaggerations. In comparison, other minority groups are more reasonably portrayed in recent award-winning films such as “Rain Man”, “Philadelphia”, “Dances with Wolves”, and “Silence of the Lambs”. Or instead, black actors/actresses win awards from movies specifically concerning race (Sidney Poitier in “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner”), or in outright slavery legacy roles like Hattie McDaniel in “Gone with the Wind”. And worse, the tamer, more realistic performances by black artists (that have no less merit) are more likely to be overlooked by the Academy. Can a black person just win an Oscar in a regular movie? Why do they have to be typecast in a movie about being black, being a slave, being from the ghetto, or other racial themes? Maybe Morgan Freeman is the only black actor who transcends the divide. Will Smith and Denzel are getting there, but Smith has yet to earn Hollywood preeminence. Black actresses have it even harder.

It’s as bad as Hollywood only celebrating Asian-themed movies about kung fu, Italian-themed movies about mobsters, or Arab-themed movies about terrorism (oh wait, they do!). Hollywood is probably America’s most important and influential exporter, but I don’t know if the greedy media moguls, superficial advertisers, and egomaniac producers are up to the task sometimes. Do we want Paramount, 20th Century Fox, and others teaching the world about being a minority, being American, or being human? People learn from all sorts of various media, but we have to admit that movies have a certain mystique and higher power. Hollywood is still a major art form, despite the efforts of Elektra, Deuce Bigalow, Doom, and any other video game/comic/teen-themed-flick to bring it down. Box office sales are on the decline because recent movies tend to suck more than their predecessors. True artists are pure wherever you go, but purity is often trumped by the bottom line, popular culture, peer pressure, and convenience. While we must try to respect artistic freedom and profitability considerations, we have to also realize that our movies talk to people and mold opinions at home and all over the world. As an example, I’m leaving for Cameroon soon, and many people have cautioned me that the locals might act strange or scared around me because I’m Asian. They see kung fu movies and think that all Asian people are violent fighting machines. This isn’t all Hollywood’s fault, and obviously Jackie Chan and other Asians are getting rich on these narrow-minded caricatures too. Stereotypes and ignorance form a very dangerous combination, as we’ve seen much too often in many places. Now we have to work even harder to dispel myths and clichés that our movies and leaders may have propagated.

Stereotype black movies and Blaxploitation films can still raise important questions about inequality, bigotry, and injustice – but most of that gets lost among the caricatures, punch lines, and formulaic plots. Most people would prefer to identify with Shaft versus Antwone Fisher, or “Show me the money” rather than “Free at last”. Actually, why hasn’t anyone made a big-time film about MLK, Rosa Parks, or other episodes in the Civil Rights movement besides Spike Lee? Is there no money or interest in it? The entire works of JRR Tolkein are gracing the silver screen, and “Scary Movie 4” is coming out soon, but nothing on MLK? We were blessed with “Big Momma’s House 2”, but no Coretta Scott King biopic? Lee has directed some amazing movies, but his “urban-themed” or gangsta works always get the most attention. Mainstream America and Hollywood seem to be fascinated by the seedier, gaudier elements of “black culture”, and barely pay respect to the non-flashy, artsy movies (“Ali”, “Diary of a Mad Black Woman”, “Do the Right Thing”, “Hotel Rwanda”, to name a few). Have more people seen “Friday” or “Malcolm X”? Popularity and artistic/social value are rarely correlated.

The decline of meaningful rap music and the rise of materialism in black culture haven’t helped either. Just pick up an issue of Vibe or watch BET for an hour, and you’ll know what I mean. Black entertainment will always be cursed (or blessed, depending how you view it) by the duality of visceral amusement (Lil’ Jon, bling bling, etc.) and meaningful rhetoric with major social impact, as is the case with most forms of ethnic art. It’s up to the rest of us to properly discriminate between the two, and not mix messages or forget what is more important. Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, and others bridge the gulf fairly well, but often their brash comedy trumps their social commentary and activism in the audience’s mind. As a rule it seems, black, Latin, gay, or Asian comedians must devote at least 50% of their jokes to ridiculing their own people (and 25% to mock dorky Caucasians). We will always have “Pimp my Ride” on one end of the spectrum and Maya Angelou on the other, with plenty in between. As discerning consumers, it’s up to us to decide what are reasonable selections for ourselves, our families, deep discussions, or leisure time. It’s up to the black entertainment industry to responsibly create and market all genres in reasonable proportions and with the needs of the community in mind. This shouldn’t be a foreign concept or a violation of free speech, as we diligently shield our children from pornography/obscenity, and the MPAA rates movies according to their mature content. Maybe we should distance ourselves from racial typecasts and offensive, narrow portrayals as well. Unfortunately, a lot of non-black people enjoy and profit from racially caricatured content, so they will keep pushing for that media at the expense of more substantive art and expression. Even some black people prefer to fill the stereotypical mold rather than live as their own person and forge their own identity. Peer pressure and group identification are strong forces; this is true of any peoples.

We’ve all impersonated black people and joked about our narrow conceptions of black culture from the movies. It’s not a good thing, but it cheaply entertains us, and it’s unfortunately here to stay in our society like many forms of latent prejudice. I’m ashamed of my role in this dilemma. My guilt stems from the realization that the situation isn’t immutable, and it’s not all Hollywood’s fault. Of course most movies are more about money and entertainment rather than sending a sociopolitical message or making accurate portrayals of people (“A Beautiful Mind” won Oscars for grossly romanticizing the life of John Nash, while rigorous documentaries like “Born into Brothels” barely make waves). Obviously some blacks aren’t helping their cause with vapid trash like “Soul Plane”, “Guess Who”, anything from the Wayans Brothers, and a lot of the “N***a stuff” on BET that Huey Freeman routinely complains about in “Boondocks”. Black artists are in a quandary: they have to entertain and get noticed, but they can’t let the hype, glamour, and superficiality of Hollywood drown out their message or betray their identity/heritage. Apparently, Chappelle quit working on his show last year partly because he was frustrated that the audience focused on the jokes rather than his very poignant commentary on black culture and relations in America. Most people (myself included) preferred to laugh about Rick James (bitch) rather than discuss the impact of drugs and materialism on black society.

In the multi-Oscar-winning “Crash”, we see the various ethnicities in LA butting heads and interacting in some surprising and interconnected ways. Many are saying that it is a good shock to the system to get Americans to think and talk about race relations. Others feel that such ridiculous portrayals and unrealistic situations do little to educate people about race and allow them to relate to the tensions that the movie’s characters are experiencing. In fact, the film might be doing us a disservice by oversimplifying, exaggerating, and stereotyping the problems. Probably they’re all right; it just depends how you look at things. The NPR discussions below had a lot of interesting things to day about “Crash” and Black Hollywood. But the bottom line is twofold: talented black artists delivered some amazing performances in Hollywood as of late, and some were handsomely rewarded. But the roles they accepted and the hype that they generated may have some adverse effects for the black community and race relations. It’s amazing how angry some of the NPR commentators were about “Hustle & Flow”. Non-black Americans run the risk of (and sometimes totally embrace) labeling all black people according to the few breakthrough performances that gained publicity in Hollywood and other mainstream media. Then black people are locked into that fictional, sometimes inaccurate identity, because it’s what most of society identifies them with, and what they need to imitate to get noticed or get ahead. Of course I’m generalizing here, but don’t worry – the rant is almost finished. One of the commentators on NPR was complaining that the elitist, out-of-touch LA audience in the Kodak Theater seemed to act so condescending to Three Six Mafia after their performance and emphatic Oscar win on Sunday, like “Aw isn’t that cute… those Negroes did so well; good for them!”

People have the right to seek entertainment by any means under the law, and consumers pick their media according to their various tastes. No one is forcing us to watch “The Color Purple” over “Undercover Brother”, the Academy does what it pleases, and it’s the personal decision of the black artist to choose appropriate roles. Hollywood is all about fun too, as any visitor to Universal Studios will attest. Challenging, artsy stuff is a burden and downer sometimes, which is probably why the ratings for the 2006 Oscars were near the all-time low (the contenders for best picture were all political, “serious” films and the host Jon Stewart was also a media pariah, albeit with a huge following). We could also continue this conversation about “Brokeback Mountain”, gay America, and that set of portrayals in the mainstream media. The patterns of typecasting and latent bigotry/exclusion are similar, and it’s clear that a large portion of America was not ready for that film’s power and success (the slew of utterly offensive parody humor is proof enough). Does America see it as a love story involving gay cowboys, or a gay movie about cowboys? The difference is subtle but crucial. Is there a distinction between a good movie/actor and a good, black movie/actor? Can we just produce, enjoy, and judge art as it is, without succumbing to and limiting ourselves with minority labels and identity clichés?

http://eurweb.com/story/eur25213.cfm
http://www.alternet.org/movies/23597/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=3264
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5187145
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-01-25-brokeback-humor-cover_x.h...

NPR discussions on the Oscars among their black commentators

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5246984
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5243598
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5246892
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5239254

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Since I consider myself somewhat of a media theorist
(or at least that's what they're trying to teach me at
SF State God bless them), and also because I rarely
respond to ___'s rants, I figured I'd kill two quail
with one birdshot and respond. ___ has some excellent
points, and I'll try and respond to the areas where I
can add a thought or two. For those that don't know
me, I'm sort of the Devil's advocate to a degree. But
anyway...
- Show quoted text -


> Stereotype black movies and Blaxploitation films can
> still raise important
> questions about inequality, bigotry, and injustice –
> but most of that gets
> lost among the caricatures, punch lines, and
> formulaic plots. Most people
> would prefer to identify with Shaft versus Antwone
> Fisher, or "Show me the
> money" rather than "Free at last". Actually, why
> hasn't anyone made a
> big-time film about MLK, Rosa Parks, or other
> episodes in the Civil Rights
> movement besides Spike Lee? Is there no money or
> interest in it? The entire
> works of JRR Tolkein are gracing the silver screen,
> and "Scary Movie 4" is
> coming out soon, but nothing on MLK? We were blessed
> with "Big Momma's House
> 2", but no Coretta Scott King biopic? Lee has
> directed some amazing movies,
> but his "urban-themed" or gangsta works always get
> the most attention.
> Mainstream America and Hollywood seem to be
> fascinated by the seedier,
> gaudier elements of "black culture", and barely pay
> respect to the
> non-flashy, artsy movies ("Ali", "Diary of a Mad
> Black Woman", "Do the Right
> Thing", "Hotel Rwanda", to name a few). Have more
> people seen "Friday" or
> "Malcolm X"? Popularity and artistic/social value
> are rarely correlated.

Is there no money or interest in seeing an MLK or Rosa
Parks biopic? Quite simply, no. Not from people in
the mainstream, which if you are on Tim's e-mail list
I highly doubt you are. (Although I guarantee there
are at least 10 legit MLK scripts floating around
Hollywood looking for the right circumstances to be
produced). The #1 reason people watch movies,
television or the radio is to be entertained. They
don't want to preached to or if they do they want the
political message to be secondary to the action. As
for the Scary Movie franchise or Big Momma's House 2,
those movies make money hand over fist...which is
really all studios care about. Entertainment is a
business after all. The first Scary Movie cost
roughly $20 million to make, which in Hollywood terms
is hardly anything at all. It made about $200 million
box office alone. That's a pretty good investment, so
no wonder the Wayans and their distributors sought to
recapture the "magic" and are making countless
sequels. As long as people keep going to see them and
they make a profit, these movies will continue ad
naseum. People by and large don't want to think when
they watch TV and movies, they want to be entertained.
If you could guarantee a consistent investment return
like Scary Movie from Do The Right Thing, then
Hollywood would be all over that. Hollywood is like
the NFL where coaches copy the offensive systems that
work. Formulas are a good thing because the audience
understands them and goes to see them. They are
comforted by knowing what's going to happen and that
everything will be wrapped up in a neat little
package. Middle America wants formulas, and it's
Middle America that goes to see endless repetitions of
the same product. Let's not kid ourselves that
Hollywood is about art, it's about the almighty
dollar. Obviously there are exceptions, but the
bottom line is revenue. No studio would touch Crash
until is won some film festivals, and even then only
Lion's Gate (previously known mainly for low-budget
horror movies) would distribute it. For a $6 million
dollar movie, Lion's Gate got a pretty good deal even
though the film only made $55 million at the box
office. Anyway, I had a point somewhere in there.

"We will always have "Pimp my Ride" on one end of the
spectrum and Maya Angelou on the other, with plenty in
between."

I feel this is an age-old argument between what
constitutes "high" and "low" culture. By low I mean
mass-marketed, mainstream palatable culture, not that
it is "bad." I would argue that the high vs. low
division is true for any art. Maya Angelous is high
culture. You pay for her works because you want to
read what she has to say and think and reflect on it.
On the other hand Pimp My Ride is broadcast on basic
cable on (what else) MTV and disseminated to the
masses hoping to attract the largest audience
possible. High culture goes out to the elitist that
actively seeks out intellectual stimulation. Low
culture is for everybody and is generally not hard to
understand (hence the use of formulas). Maybe it's
not just the black entertainment industry that needs
to create intellectual content that would benefit the
community, but the entertainment industry in general.
For every NOVA special that pops on PBS, there are
seven "War at Homes" (which a really bad "white"
sitcom on Fox for those that don't watch TV
religiously like I do).

"In the multi-Oscar-winning "Crash", we see the
various ethnicities in LA butting heads and
interacting in some surprising and interconnected
ways. Many are saying that it is a good shock to the
system to get Americans to think and talk about race
relations. Others feel that such ridiculous portrayals
and unrealistic situations do little to educate people
about race and allow them to relate to the tensions
that the movie's characters are experiencing. In fact,
the film might be doing us a disservice by
oversimplifying, exaggerating, and stereotyping the
problems. Probably they're all right; it just depends
how you look at things. "

From my perspective, the entire point of Crash's
putting forth racial "stereotypes" is to confront them
and investigate them. But the ability of the audience
to investigate really hinges on whether you have the
mental capacity to do so. If you are an ignorant
dumbass, then you will look at Ludacris and Larenze
Tate car-jacking scene of Sandra Bullock's character
and completely miss the point that the scene is
skewering the white viewpoint that all black men are
criminals. When the scene turns itself on its head as
Luda announces to Tate that white people should be
scared because they are in fact criminals, the
intelligent would hopefully see that it's an argument
against Sandra Bullock's character for judging people
as criminals by their skin tone, as Luda suggests that
their outward appearance of "UCLA students" belies the
fact that they are actually carrying guns. She
couldn't see that just from their clothes, but assumes
they are from their skin color.

As an aside, I am tempted to believe that the Kodak
Theatre crowd was unreceptive to Three 6 Mafia's
performance because the song is...well...horrible (I
am not one of those rap is crap people, this song was
just crap). That's not to say the other nominated
songs were any good, but like any other art form,
taste is subjective. But Jon Stewart was right,
THAT'S how you accept an Oscar!!!

As a final note about the Oscars, a lot of the time
they tend to give out "career" awards. When Denzel
won for his Training Day performance despite having
numerous great performances in the past, it was
basically the Academy giving him an award for a career
well done.

Anyway, I just wasted an hour of my life typing this
when I should have been doing my school work. I guess
this take's care of my responses to ___ for another 6
months.


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You biased liberal media elite!! Nah just kidding, thank you very much for your comments and perspective. Killing two quail with one birdshot – who are you, the Vice President? But I do need a devil's advocate to keep me in check sometimes, especially when I raise concerns on behalf of a race that I'm not even a part of (or am I?). But injustice, stereotype, and prejudice hurt all of us, and you call a spade a spade.

Unfortunately, I agree with all of your points so I don't have many arguments (this is rare, since we are usually nemeses for those who don’t know us well). :( I know all of you are grossly disappointed! Yes, Hollywood is a business. It's about return on investment, efficiency of production, and mass marketing. Formulaic, simplistic stuff like "Bad Boys" is a better sell than complex, challenging stuff like "Capote". And it's hard to make a "Capote" sequel. At least they could do "Crash 2: Streets of Baghdad". Sadly, I don't know if I'm being facetious or not.


Hollywood is a business, but so are the oil and chemical industries. Oil companies can’t drill near an elementary school, and chemical plants can’t dump toxic waste into the water table (well, it’s usually against the law at least). Businesses must meet social obligations, and they must address specific human needs while causing the least damage. Along the way it’s ok to maximize profits/efficiency if no one gets hurt. I don’t know if government regulation can keep control, but consumer selectivity sure can. The problem is that consumers are rarely (or never) so responsible. The free market run amok produces Exxon Valdez, Enron, and Bhopal. But of course Hollywood is a gray area because it’s an art form and protected by free speech. However, free speech run amok causes the Mohammad cartoons and Holocaust denials. Offensive/damaging speech shouldn’t be outlawed, but some of it can be censored/regulated, and the public should scrutinize the rest prior to consumption. However, it doesn’t happen in Hollywood. Italian-Americans protested “The Sopranos”, Muslim-Americans protested “True Lies”, and Cuban-Americans protested “Scarface”, but not much happened and such entertainment was highly profitable.


In terms of Hollywood, you’re right – all peoples make bad/insensitive movies depicting every race, creed, and minority. But a large percentage of “black” movies deal with deviant behavior, crime, racial retribution, and other negative issues. Those topics are important and part of the African-American identity/story, but sometimes Hollywood celebrates controversial/unbecoming performances too much, yet ignores more deserving and virtuous stuff that would deliver similar messages. The plotline of a black pimp aspiring to become a rapper can have a lot of artistic merit and social significance. Heck, it can sell a lot of tickets and DVDs too! But that can’t be the sole representation or noteworthy offering for black actors/filmmakers in Hollywood. Such films also risk producing negative and inaccurate assumptions/stereotypes. And perceptions are biased against blacks (we already know this from “Bowling for Columbine” and American TV newscasts/viewers that tend to associate violent crime with blackness). After seeing Spielberg movies, does the audience think that all Germans are goose-stepping, maniacal murderers? Actually, one might draw more reasonable conclusions from German cinema, which is much more accurate about WWII history, and even more repentant/frank about Nazism (“The White Rose”, “Stalingrad”, “Downfall”). After watching “American History X” or “Mississippi Burning”, can we assume that all whites are racists? Of course not, because whites are portrayed much more positively in most other films/media. There is a pseudo-equilibrium that generally reflects the tastes, characteristics, and sensibilities of the real world. Hollywood is surely fantasy and exaggeration, but the excesses are in balance for most genres except black film.


http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?id=1136

http://www.spectacle.org/1295/blacks.html

But Hollywood depictions of blacks, and the publicity it generates, are disproportionately negative and many black people already recognize this. Unfortunately, some blacks also perpetuate the problem. We need more acclaim for positive black films to balance out “Boyz in da Hood” and “Training Day”. Those are excellent films, but they can’t and shouldn’t represent all blacks in Hollywood. Tom Hanks and Mel Gibson are both celebrated actors. But we can’t properly assess their acting merits from “Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome” and “Joe Versus the Volcano”. We can’t judge blacks based on narrow depictions either. Most of us don’t, but then again, some still do and the effect may be subtle and subconscious. Films like “Good Will Hunting” have wonderful stories that are easily converted for black actors and black consumption, for rich, poor, intellectual, and uneducated alike. But Hollywood balks, or is it the audience? “Antwone Fisher” and “Finding Forrester” barely made waves. Conversely, where is the interest in making negatively themed films about white terrorists like Tim McVeigh and Oklahoma City, white politicians who commit scandal after scandal (minus Oliver Stone films), white CEOs who steal the country blind and fire thousands of workers (minus the Enron documentary and “Roger and Me”), redneck trailer trash on drugs and welfare, extremist white Christians who form cults and attack abortion doctors/gays, the Old South and Confederacy (minus the revisionist, selective, and romanticized “Gone with the Wind”), or the history of the Ku Klux Klan? Those are important parts of the American story that American film should address. But we don’t, or just barely. Look how much criticism the CBS Reagan biopic drew, and it was neutral, if not sugar coated (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3237893.stm)! Yes, we all know that America is majority conservative and WASP, which means more white consumers who generally are wealthier than other races. Those consumers may not want to see entertainment/art that makes them feel uncomfortable about themselves and their heritage. But on the flipside, it’s ok to watch movies about unflattering aspects of black society, and even get some laughs out of it?


What proof do I have of all this? None really, but it tells us something that the trend continues despite the chronic vociferous protests of more important people than us. If Hollywood made films mostly depicting Jewish people as greedy bankers and Arab persecutors, Jews would be up in arms – and rightly so. They were already pissed about “The Passion of the Christ” and “Paradise Now”, which implicitly blamed all Jews for Christ’s murder and somewhat justified Palestinian violent resistance in Israel, respectively. Blacks really complain about unfair portrayals, but few people listen, including some of the African-American community who don’t feel the need for change and might even profit from Blaxploitation. Non-blacks may prefer to remember and even celebrate “deviant black culture”, like the hip-hop/baller lifestyle, than work to make sure blacks get just treatment and accurate representation in the media. I’m as guilty as anyone and I’m trying to stop, but it’s hard because I have to admit that it’s appealing/entertaining for suburbanites to imitate ghetto black behavior. Evidently, the marketing campaigns are a success. There is nothing wrong with enjoying 50 Cent: Bulletproof video game, Nelly’s “Apple Bottom” women’s wear, and “New Jack City”. But let’s not forget that those products/imagery don’t speak for all blacks, may be counter-informative/derogatory, and you might be judged according to your ignorant consumer tastes.


War movies are almost sure successes in Hollywood and everyone loves soldier heroes, yet blacks are noticeably absent, except in “Glory” (and that film ends with all the black soldiers killed on a dumb suicide mission to attack a strong Confederate fort). Many black groups protested “Saving Private Ryan” because director Spielberg did not cast A SINGLE BLACK PERSON in the whole movie, even in the massive Normandy Invasion scene. Well, Vin Diesel’s racial makeup is uncertain, but he played a soldier of Italian descent (Private Caparzo). One of the main characters (Private Mellish) was a Jewish-American soldier, of course. Spielberg’s camp claimed that they conducted exhaustive research and made the film very historically accurate (meaning there were no black heroes to portray on the beach). But there were! (http://www.nola.com/dday/index.ssf?/dday/0710dday2.html) Public school history books are just as bad. Spielberg’s ignorance, obstinacy, and intolerance are frighteningly similar to the Nazis he loathes. Such black heroes of the Greatest Generation risked everything and sometimes died to fight a tyrannical, racist regime, while wearing the uniform of a racist country that terribly abused their ancestors and forbade their relatives from drinking from certain water fountains. They returned home not as victorious and beloved heroes, but as second-class citizens who would have to wait until the 1960s for some reforms. More poor, angry black soldiers would fight and die in the misguided Vietnam War, as the very accurate film “Platoon” depicted. In Hollywood, we are taught ad nauseum about the evil and horrors of the Holocaust (and the heroism of survivors), as well as the crusading efforts of strong women (“Erin Brockovich”, “North Country”, “Dangerous Minds”). Those are important film topics, but why don’t we hear about the equivalently noteworthy and sometimes superior heroism, nobility, and sacrifice of blacks? Despite “Shaka Zulu”, African blacks are sometimes portrayed even worse than their American counterparts (“Lord of War”, “The Gods Must be Crazy”, “Tears of the Sun”).


http://www.wlajournal.com/current/Kinney.pdf

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55650-2004May25.html

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1994/940607/06070313.htm


The major networks aired the very violent and profane “Saving Private Ryan” and “Schindler’s List” in uncensored, uninterrupted form (with major corporate funding), but we can’t have an adult discussion about the N-word, slavery, or American racism? This is indoctrination, whitewash, and bias in their purest form. It’s ok to show America a supposedly anti-war movie that glorifies carnage and hate of Germans, but we can’t discuss slavery reparations outside of Chappelle’s Show? I know that those two WWII-themed films are very significant and high quality, both historically and artistically. But they don’t warrant such preferential treatment, while rebroadcasts of “Roots” are relegated to PBS. ABC could post free rental vouchers on their website for families to use at their discretion, but forcing America to watch slanted, sometimes erroneous historical films without FCC control is inappropriate. I know it’s a separate discussion, and I’m encroaching on some very dangerous territory here, but those Spielberg films are so blatantly anti-German and pro-Jewish that I don’t think they belong on network programming that is supposedly equal opportunity and color blind.


In both films, there is only one positive portrayal of a German, obviously Oskar Schindler. There is very little mention of the European Jews who collaborated with the Nazis (there were a few scenes of a Polish Jew “sellout” who worked as a Warsaw ghetto policeman for the SS). Other Holocaust films like “Life is Beautiful” and “The Pianist” were much less prejudiced yet equally meaningful/moving, and even committed the unthinkable: actually portraying some good Germans (and there were plenty of them). I feel terribly for the suffering of WWII victims, I love Jewish people who aren’t bigots, and of course I don’t support the Nazi cause. But if you’re going to depict these complex, challenging periods in human history – you better watch your step, tell the story without an agenda, and do your homework, so people don’t protest or get the wrong idea. When tens of millions of people were butchered on all sides and by all sides during WWII, most experts and academics don’t think it’s wise or edifying to casually proclaim one group good and the other bad. It’s very hard to simplify WWII/Holocaust events into mainstream film form without creating propaganda like “Triumph of the Will”. But in the case of American slavery, where there were CLEARLY “bad guys” and victims, we are only granted a cursory, passing discussion? Of course it’s shameful to Americans and our history, but if it’s the truth, what are we afraid of? Well, I guess Hollywood realizes that such content won’t sell many tickets. As was the case after Katrina, people were shocked to realize that parts of America were so POOR; they had no idea. Well, poverty is a downer that mainstream media, educators, and advertisers don’t want to touch, just like American racism. But it’s totally ok to praise America’s efforts in WWII (sometimes inaccurately) until the cows come home.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saving_Private_Ryan#2004_Broadcast_controversy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schindler%27s_List#1997_TV_controversy

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/selam12.htm


You may be right; there is no money or interest in MLK or Civil Rights themed films. Malcolm X was an especially appealing, controversial figure in black history, but the Spike Lee film about him didn’t have a huge following among non-blacks. It’s permissible and necessary to make black media about poverty, drugs, gangs, and whatnot. But can they have some positive connotations, hope, and edifying messages? Can we see people pulling themselves out of the ghetto and overcoming racism with education, love, and moral fortitude? I know films like “Remember the Titans” do try, but it’s more about blacks and whites getting along (and winning football games!) than black people triumphing on their own. Is there any audience for that?


As you said, “Crash’s” stereotypical and prejudiced racial depictions were deliberately intended to prove a point and get the audience to contemplate. But just consider the biased characters represented. The Latino family is perfect: they speak English, work hard, love each other, and shrug off bigotry. The Persian family is somewhat dysfunctional: the mother doesn’t say one word the whole film and the father is a barely comprehensible, plotting to kill an innocent stranger to avenge his vandalized business. I don’t think the director Paul Haggis especially loves Latinos and hates Persians, but what is the latent message? Asians in the movie play a minor role (even though there are tons of them in LA), and are terribly stereotyped. The hospital scene was especially pathetic. Then blacks are either “Uncle Toms” living in the white man’s world, or carjackers and crackheads like Don Cheadle’s relatives. Ludacris comes off as a Louis Farrakhan-type reverse racist, but where are the white racists in the film? It’s a cop out, literally, because Matt Dillon is the “racist with a heart of gold”. I know racists aren’t necessarily “bad people”, and all of us have racist thoughts at times, but are the other characters treated as fairly and let off the hook for their bigotry? Probably the most telling and powerful racial commentary is the way that the other cops and lawyers patronize Don Cheadle, and how Ryan Phillippe’s efforts at “being color blind” blow up in his face. There are bad and good families/people of every race, but “Crash” doesn’t get that message across, and we can’t assume that the audience already realizes this. It’s like the WWE forgetting to warn viewers that their performances are phony and not intended for amateur imitation. It’s just irresponsible to deliver such content without putting it in perspective.


So in summary, I’ve just mentioned several new examples showing how insensitive, irresponsible, and biased Hollywood is regarding race, especially against African-Americans. To a certain degree, Hollywood reflects the attitudes, mores, and substance of the greater American culture, society, and nation. While that may be scary or reassuring depending on your viewpoint, it clearly shows that we can’t afford to dismiss Hollywood as just moneymaking, harmless entertainment, without respecting and recognizing the social ramifications of their product. Their bad movies have side effects and dangers. People get upset and people get the wrong ideas, which may negatively impact their lives and the functioning of our society. Some hypersensitive people get too upset about too many things, but I think this case is pretty justified. We can’t just sweep it under the rug or resign to the belief that things will never change. If we boycott stupid or offensive movies en mass and demand better, the studios will change REALLY FAST, or go broke while we read books instead. Not every movie can be a winner, but to survive they’ll need to make superior films that entertain, edify, make money, and even impact history. Isn’t that what we all want?

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Thanks again for your comments and it got me thinking about a lot of stuff. I don't pretend to be all knowing on this stuff, I realize I might have rambled too much in my reply, and didn't deliver my point explicitly up front (surprise, surprise). So basically I think that Hollywood won't change over this issue and probably doesn't need to until the greater society changes first. We need high and low culture, as you said. The customers pick what they want to see, and studios are in it for the profit or the awards, not to crusade against injustice and such (that is our job!). Lowbrow movies don't really count in this discussion, and sometimes intentionally offend us so it's a different story. Artsy movies are more ambitious and serious, so the messages they send matter more.

Yes, we recognize there is an unequal distribution of high/low culture movies and positive/negative representations of different races in Hollywood. I don't know if this is damaging for minorities, but I am concerned. Maybe this is just a necessary consequence of minority status for blacks, gays, Asians, whomever. If whites were the minority in America with a history of discrimination, I'm sure Hollywood would make mostly unflattering/typecast films about them too and no one would protest. I guess it's the same way in Bollywood, with Sikh minorities playing the fools in those movies. Black actors/producers/filmmakers have fewer numbers and opportunities in Hollywood, so they can't throw their weight around or afford to be too selective/activist. They need to get paid, don't want to get the reputation of being ornery, and may not mind the compromise. So obviously, there is not a grand Hollywood conspiracy against blacks, and many blacks don't take offense to unsavory portrayals of their people on screen. In fact they enjoy the movies, just like I don't really mind Asian stereotype jokes in "Rush Hour" and whatnot.

I didn't think "Training Day" or "Hustle & Flow" were racist per se, but it's clear that the script played out differently because of its minority characters. Could those movies work if the leads were non-black? So the audience probably doesn't automatically associate blackness with corrupt cops and pimps, nor ignore the contributions of black soldiers just because they aren't glorified in blockbuster war movies, but it does open the door for problems that Jews and other peoples don't have to face from movies. So it's a case of accentuating some types of black roles and excluding others. For what reason? Probably it's marketability over racism, or maybe the two are related?

This may all be just a natural process in the free market and human artistic expression. If we want to improve race relations and make our society more equitable, film is low on the priority list or not even a factor. We should fix reality first. Mass media is very influential though, life can imitate art, and people are susceptible to suggestion (that's why the advertising/propaganda industries are so powerful and profitable), so we should be on guard and not assume that it's all ok because it's just entertainment. Obviously there's a lot more important cleanup to do in Washington DC, the classroom, the home, and the office. But clearly, some people on NPR and Halle Berry are pissed at Hollywood for the status/portrayals of blacks.

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/22802004.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22219