Ironically I saw this program while on vacation in a very stress free place (see attached photo):
http://www.pbs.org/programs/killer-stress/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehall_Study
Maybe
some of you have read into this stuff already. I wish I took a class
from that Sapolsky prof. - his beard is badass (and he's super smart of
course). Recently science has found a simple way to measure how much
your body is aging - the length of your telomeres (structures connected
to your chromosomes). The more times your cells divide, the shorter the
telomeres get, and the closer your cells are to "death" (cells can only
divide a finite # of times). Not sure how that relates to physical
death, but older cells generally don't perform as well. As you would
expect, stress increases the rate of telomere shortening. The doc is
from NatGeo, but I think they were a bit fast and loose with their
conclusions based on what limited data they provided. However, they did a
study of Marin County moms who take care of disabled kids vs. moms with
non-disabled kids. The former group had shorter telomeres (on average 6
years older than their calendar age) and complained about more health
issues. We know that conception is less likely for couples under stress,
but apparently stress can also affect fetal development. This part was a
little sketchy, but they did a survey of Dutch children born during a
terrible famine under Nazi occupation. Their moms were likely under a
lot of stress. The kids are now elderly, and they reported higher
incidence of chronic illness and emotional problems. I am not sure if
that difference is statistically significant vs. peers, but I do believe
that an expecting mom under stress probably isn't a good thing.
Also related to stress and health outcomes is your work environment.
The UK performed a study on public workers and found that the mortality
rates of low-level workers were 3X higher than upper managers (mostly
driven by cardio health). Of course job level may correlate with amount
of vacation time/financial security, and a multitude of factors are
likely at play (socioeconomic background, education, diet, etc.), but
not sure if they controlled for those. The theory is that the stress
imposed by lack of empowerment & control, and managerial pressure
have negative impacts on your biology. So yes, your boss may in fact be
killing you. :)
The workplace and social hierarchy stuff ties into Sapolsky's
research on baboon colonies. They are evolutionarily fit creatures
(despite having bright red faces and butts), so they have about 9 hours
of free time per day when they're not hunting and sleeping. They use
that time to either torment each other or build social bonds. The "alpha
asshole" baboons were dominant and often harassed the others to
maintain their social positions. The beta baboons were marginalized.
Just like middle school or the office. The alphas get first dibs on food
of course, but for one colony it was bad because they happened to dine
on diseased meat in the garbage of a human settlement. So all the alphas
died. The betas then "took over". Did they become jerk alphas in their
place? Nope, they maintained their submissive, "nice" ways. The colony
on average spent less time fighting and more time grooming (a primate
form of relaxation and bonding). They lived longer and looked healthier.
And they propagated these traits to the next generation, so the colony
continues to be more Utopian than others. If they can do it, what is our
excuse? Maybe we need to get rid of all the assholes, for everyone's
health? :)
Of course a lot of stress is self-imposed. So I think we have to say
enough is enough and learn to let go. I definitely need to. It's not
worth killing yourself over.
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conclusion: we should take out all of the assholes? do you think this
cop in LA may be doing what is best for society? maybe alot of these
massacre killers are highly evolved and trying to move us to the next
level by getting rid of what they perceive as the alphas?
hey, someone had to say it.
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That is basically the plot of this Angelina Jolie movie from a while back:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanted_%282008_film%29
These
elite hitmen use a magic device to get the names of bad people that
they need to whack in order for the world to keep going. But things turn
south when the device gives them their own names. DUN DUN DUN!! (I
could narrate trailers if I had a deeper voice).
Well, the mass killers in CO and CT targeted innocents, not
"assholes". I am not sure what is going on with the LA case, but I am
sure that cop had some legit injustices inflicted upon him. Civilized
people are just not permitted to use violence for revenge, even if we're
persecuted by assholes. Religions say that we'll be rewarded in the
afterlife for our tolerance. I sure as heck hope so. Bullies are the
worst scum of the earth, but we can't beat them with violence or we may
become then. Some would say we have to make exceptions for people like
Hitler, but it's a slippery slope (i.e. did we have to firebomb Dresden
to stop Hitler, who was clearly going to lose by late 1943?).
LOL: "they also shot another guy they thought was dorner....he
looked just
like him, but he was about 100lbs. less than dorner and he was white."
Yeah it gets bad when a guy targets cop families. They all get itchy
trigger fingers and circle the wagons. It's interesting that they are
making absolutely ZERO effort to resolve this peacefully. Some other
mass killers surrendered when the cops came. Something can be worked out
of they give it a serious effort. But they are out for blood now, even
if it's unconstitutional. Hell that whole Constitution thing didn't stop
Obama and his drones. And he was the "nice" choice for president.
Instead of resorting to violence to enforce justice, our societies
need to learn to change priorities and incentives. Now we reward asshole
behavior and basically punish nice behavior. We have to flip that on
its head (some "primitive" societies already do - but we look down on
them), but good luck when it's the assholes making the rules and the $.
It's the human effing condition. But like Sapolsky said - ditch this BS
and live in rural Africa. He felt truly happier and healthier when he
was there and can't wait to go back. The French expats I met in
Polynesia look happy and healthy too. They married nice island girls and
take tourists on snorkel trips every day. Now who is the alpha dog?
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show me one supposed cop killer that is taken alive. it ain't gonna
happen. also, there is no real evidence tying him to the killings of
that cop's family members. we'll never know the truth b/c this guy is
dead. they will never let him say another word and he sure as shit will
not see the inside of a courthouse.
some north american native tribe used to react to antisocial behavior by
bringing everyone closer to the person. it was the tribe's
responsibility collectively for the tribe's behavior. just seems the
zero tolerance/punitive response isn't working real well....
and, i've seen those ex-pats. certainly looks like a nice life....stress is greatly reduced.
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Yeah I agree with that, it's Wild West "justice" for the LAPD and other
such orgs when they feel the blue line has been crossed.
That is
a good point about the Native American collective remedy to antisocial
behavior. In the US, we celebrate some sociopaths (athletes, Hollywood,
financiers, etc.), and ostracize others (to institutions, prisons, the
streets, etc.). It's a billion-dollar industry to segregate people in
America. Maybe it has to do with our ultra-individualistic mentality and
culture vs. more "social" societies. Hehe I guess that makes us an
antisocial society. Though a prof recently told me that the US is not
the most individualistic culture... that is actually Israel. Not sure
how it was measured, but in that study it was more about defiance of
authority rather than collective problem solving. But clearly the East
Asian, Latino, and African cultures are much more collectivist than
ours.
PS - speaking of "Latino", with the immigration debate going on, I
am just so tired of the word "Hispanic". That is the stupidest name ever
- totally artificial and irrelevant to everyone but Columbus. I was
told that the Reagan admin. popularized it, but not sure if that is
true. To me it's worse than "Oriental", which personally I don't find
offensive at all. It sounds exotic. :)