Showing posts with label guns. Show all posts
Showing posts with label guns. Show all posts

Thursday, January 7, 2016

Fox News mocks Obama's tears over gunned down kids

Maybe you saw Obama's powerful (and both emotional and logical) speech about exec. action for gun control. Even Trump called it sincere and that Obama's meant well (but of course disagrees with his proposal). But the shock-and-awe attention-whore pseudo-anchors at Fox insinuated that Obama faked the tears to be more convincing, and that he should cry about other problems like ISIS terrorism as much as he cries for gun victims.

Well, if you have that degree of bias and hate, there's nothing more to say really. We've had way too many threads about gun violence, but I'll offer this position:
  • In a society, you implicitly or explicitly give up some personal freedoms/liberty/resources/happiness for the greater good (according to our values, but of course "good" can be subjective)
    • Seat belt laws, hunting licenses, child abuse laws, etc.
    • No society manages this sacrifice/balance perfectly, but the US is relatively low corruption, fairly transparent, and at least maintains some public channels for change/redress
  • The US is already one of the most libertarian nations on earth due to our laws, Constitution, and culture
    • We are accustomed to bitching about "the gov't", but really we don't know how spoiled we are vs. places like France or god forbid, Iran
  • And so we have our 2nd Amendment and the modern warped interpretation of it... but no right is absolute
    • The gov't can take away your right to vote, or your right to life if you are convicted of a certain crime
    • We can debate the prudence of such policies, but some gun control is sound and lawful
      • I don't know why pro-gun folks are so defensive; gun laws have generally relaxed more than strengthened since Sandy Hook
  • Therefore, the pro-gun arguments about standing up to gov't tyranny and upholding freedom & the Constitution are pretty much invalid
    • That crap is mostly NRA propaganda; a majority of gun owners do want the things Obama proposed (universal bkgd. checks, closing of the gun show loophole - and plenty of other loopholes still remain)
      • But I suppose the NRA's position is that they can't give an inch, or the US will start to accept/see the benefits of gun control and want more (similar to how the GOP feels about Obamacare)
    • Some minority groups get the "short end of the stick" for socially-beneficial decisions:
      • Alcoholics might lament that some bars must close at 2AM
      • Speed freaks could be disappointed that the limit is 65 mph
      • So gun sellers (either businesses or hobbyists) should accept more paperwork/oversight due to the social threat of their wares
      • And some gun nuts should compromise that while they might prefer 50-round magazines on their assault rifles, people really shouldn't have those things
        • And there are still plenty of lethal and less controversial alternatives like semi-auto shotguns and .44 magnums they can own instead
  • The "rights and freedoms" of the pro-gun camp need to be subordinate to the right to life of gun victims, within reason
    • But some people are selfish pricks and they want the status quo to persist, even if it contributes to innocents getting killed (i.e. someone else's problem)
      • In other words, they don't mind if others suffer as they benefit (externalities)
  • Now to the next issue: most of us agree that innocents should not get murdered, but will more or fewer guns (or less mass-murder-capable guns) reduce that problem?
    • The gun lobby has prevented public research and data collection on the issue, but there is literally zero credible evidence that more/deadlier guns makes us safer, and a decent amount of trustworthy evidence to the contrary
    • So even if the research is partly flawed/wrong, how much social harm is there to limit magazines to 10 rounds, with the potential upside of preventing dozens (or hundreds, or more) of murders a year?
      • Same goes for better background checks/tracking, assault weapons bans, more oversight of online/private sales, etc.
        • It is way harder to get a student loan than to get an assault rifle - is that the type of society we want?
      • In some cases, the atmosphere of regulation can deter crime, even if the actual laws and enforcement are flawed
        • E.g. how much tax fraud is avoided just by the mere specter of the IRS, even though they may not audit and catch much of the fraud?
      • In other words, what do we have to lose, apart from pissing off a privileged minority group of gun nuts, gun makers/sellers, the NRA, and the politicians who enable/benefit from them (and remember, they will still have the right to buy and sell plenty of other types of weapons)?
        • Since the gun violence problem is so large (~30K killed per year in the US), it's possible that these new regs won't make much of a dent. But as Obama said, isn't it worth it to save even a few kids (some of whom might grow up to be the next Einstein or Obama)?
        • So gun control is legal and responsible (see points above), economically justified (limiting guns might reduce some revenue/taxes, but will likely pay for itself through social cost savings), and morally good (in many people's minds)
          • Anyone who opposes gun control on these grounds does not have their arguments based in facts and logic (likely emotional/ideological instead)
          • But that's the problem, in Polarized America, you can't persuade anyone with facts and logic; you just have to ram your agenda through and not care about your opponents' wishes
            • So that is what we should do re: gun control, stop letting the minority terrorize the majority

Friday, December 4, 2015

"Prayer shaming" after the CA mass shooting

Forgive me for ranting and using foul language here, but for "religious pro-gun conservatives" who find prayer-shaming "offensive and dismissive of their faith," I say... go F yourselves.

We don't have to respect your so-called faith if you don't even show respect for the tenets of the faith. I'm no expert in Christianity, but WEAPONS ARE UN-CHRISTIAN. I know that the history of organized Christianity is barbaric and violent (some periods make ISIS look like pacifists), but the beliefs are pretty clear:
  • Do not live by the sword; violence of any kind is unequivocly wrong
  • Defeat your enemy with love, not with violence
  • Protect the vulnerable, even if it kills you
  • Blessed are the peacemakers
So for the conservative leaders who claim to be Christians, if you don't espouse the most obvious, fundamental teachings of Christ, then you're not really a Christian and your prayers don't mean squat. There is absolutely zero way to justify gun rights and gun ownership through the lens of Christianity (on paper).

These leaders are religious, but they seem to worship guns, money, and themselves more than they love Jesus' teachings.

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2013/03/03/What-kind-of-gun-would-Jesus-carry/stories/201303030208

Saturday, December 20, 2014

2 NYPD officers "executed" by black man, possibly for revenge

This is terrible news: 2 NYPD officers "executed" by black man (motive possibly revenge for Brown, Garner, etc.).

http://news.yahoo.com/two-nypd-officers-shot-in-patrol-car-in-brooklyn-212637751.html

It won't help the "Black lives matter" movement (may turn off the centrist public to their plight), and will probably make the cops even more angry, fearful, and aggressive. The alleged killer (a younger black man) seemed to be a desperate, distressed person who was wanted in connection with another shooting. What he did was abominable. For all we know, those 2 officers were excellent public servants, and totally nonviolent and nonracist (one Asian, one Latino, both with wives and one with kids).

Sadly, it reminds me of the even more terrible recent Pakistan school massacre. Let me repeat - both attacks were totally unjustifiable and barbaric. But for background, the Pakistani Army had been heavy-handedly raiding and bombing Taliban-held villages as part of a crack-down. Women and children were killed without hesitation. The Taliban fighters were obviously upset and wanted to strike back at a soft target, to make the Army "hurt like they were hurt". When a powerful force shows contempt for you and treats you like a subhuman, and you have no channels for peaceful redress and no one seems to care about your pain, there's only so much a human can take. Eventually some unstable members of that community (with training and weapons) will lash out and strike back to try to get even, because they have nothing to lose. Would they rather just die a slow death and fade away in silence? Or would they rather get some satisfaction that they struck fear and suffering in the hearts of their enemy? Oppression breeds desperation, which could be a catalyst for atrocity.

So for urban black America, day in and day out many deal with prejudice, mistreatment, and in some cases violence (murder rate for US blacks is over 4X that of whites). Obama even said that every successful black professional like him has been mistaken for the help at a fancy event. I can't imagine what it feels like to be constantly surrounded by that negativity, disrespect, and hostility - even though you just want to live and let live, and didn't cross anyone. It's just because you exist. Maybe the media inflamed the racially-sensitive situation, but with unpunished killing and beating after unpunished killing and beating, everyone has a breaking point. To be honest, I'm in awe of the restraint that black America has shown this year. But there are just so many guns in America, and so many temporarily or clinically unstable people going through hard times, and so many soft targets, that an incident was bound to happen unless the gov't and law enforcement made a serious effort to empathize, be contrite, communicate honestly, and reform (which they didn't).

This is the first time a NYPD cop has been killed on duty since 2011, which is pretty amazing considering they have a staff of 49K (not sure how many of those are beat cops). I think the # of civilian killings the NYPD has committed over that time span is far greater (at least 19). There will be national coverage, life insurance payouts, and full dress funerals for the slain officers. Far less respect was given to the victims of NYPD violence. It's obviously wrong to kill cops, but America mourns deaths differently and values life differently, which is also wrong. It's wrong to keep your boot on the throats of people and expect them to just take it forever, like dogs. It's a tragedy for all sides. Look, being a cop can be a damn hard job. Being black in America can be a damn hard life too. I wish both sides could understand that and show compassion, to make things easier on each other instead of more and more negativity. Otherwise the cycle of revenge and distrust will just go on forever, with more innocents suffering along the way. Sadly, it's the same for most protracted conflicts like Israel-Palestine, India-Pakistan, etc. But if the Northern Ireland factions could forgive and achieve peace, it's possible elsewhere. But it has to start with the two sides giving a shit about each other's plight. 

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This is a pretty sobering and effective analysis by The Economist on America's violent law enforcement practices. Actually the NYPD, LAPD, and police from larger cities are not the biggest problem (misconduct per capita is lower). They have made huge reforms since Rodney King, although they still have a way to go (Stop and Frisk, though it was recently suspended). It's the small police forces like Ferguson and Albuquerque that are the problem, where the officers are often far less diverse, less competent, having worse leadership, and under far less public/media scrutiny.

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21636044-americas-police-kill-too-many-people-some-forces-are-showing-how-smarter-less?fsrc=scn/fb/ed/pe/DontShoot

# of killings by cops last year in Japan, Germany, and the UK combined (pop. ~270MM): 8
# in the US (pop. ~316MM): 458

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Some major sources, like police unions and former NY governor Pataki, are literally blaming Mayor DeBlasio and Al Sharpton for Brinsley's attack on the 2 officers ("Blood is on your hands" - pretty disrespectful stuff). Probably the NYPD have marked DeBlasio as an enemy, and will do what they can to unseat him. While I haven't been following every single statement DeBlasio and Sharpton have made on police violence, I am fairly sure that they did not say anything remotely resembling race-baiting and a call for revenge. And in all of Brinsley's social media posts, I don't believe he mentioned that his actions were motivated by a public figure. But I suppose if you don't declare that you support everything the cops do 100%, and they are always in the right, then you are "anti-cop". That is how Tel Aviv and AIPAC respond to any sort of criticism of Israeli actions and policies (no matter how reasonable and fact-driven). If you're not fully supportive, then you're a vile anti-Semite. There's no place for that rubbish in intelligent conversation.

I suppose that some people want a simple, clear explanation for traumatic events that disturb them. Muslims hate us for our freedom, Marilyn Manson caused Columbine, etc. But that approach is often too reductive, inaccurate, and unhelpful. People are understandably upset and what to focus their anger on someone. But to irresponsibly blame public figures, whose only sins were to show some compassion for the families of police violence and dare to suggest a review of police policies, is not that different from Brinsley lashing out at 2 random beat cops over the Garner and Brown cases. And heaven forbid, but what if an angry, disturbed ex-cop decides to take a shot at DeBlasio or Sharpton over this uproar? Would we be justified to blame the people who called out DeBlasio and Sharpton for inciting violence against them?

Tuesday, November 25, 2014

Ferguson grand jury decision and police use of force with blacks

This was a pretty good panel discussion about the Ferguson decision. To be clear, based on how our laws are written, what evidence was available, and how our justice system "works", Zimmerman and Mesherle were not guilty, and there was not enough here to indict Wilson. Whether that is right or acceptable is another story.

No one really expected an indictment of Wilson, however there was some concern about how the process unfolded: the prosecutor seemed to focus on the officer's perspective, the prosecutor's dad was a cop killed by a black suspect (and didn't recuse himself), Brown's family was not called to testify (but Wilson was - highly unusual), the convenience store crime footage was released, and AG Holder was indirectly involved. There is also the over-arching issue of the proximity between law enforcement and the DA's office, and whether impartial oversight of alleged police misconduct is possible. Was this g. jury just a "show trial" as justice theater, to go through the motions when no one really wanted to investigate Wilson. And maybe Wilson in fact broke no laws.

We've spoken about these issues before, but obviously if police were not armed (like in the UK, Norway, and many other places), that precludes the risk of violent altercations. We know that's not going to happen, so maybe police resources could be allocated to community outreach and rules-of-engagement/de-escalation policy analysis and training rather than ridiculous military exercises that they will never (or should never) use domestically. And instead of buying tanks and sniper rifles, maybe law enforcement could invest in officer and vehicle cameras - which have been shown to deter violence and misconduct from both officers and public. Convictions were possible in the Rodney King case because of footage, otherwise we all probably believe that the verdict would have been different.

There are "ambiguous" cases where an officer can rightfully shoot or not shoot - it's up to their discretion. The data show that when the suspect is black or brown, shooting is a lot more likely outcome. Assuming that minority suspects are no more dangerous than white suspects, this may be a manifestation of traditional racism, lack of sensitivity training, and/or unconscious fear (particularly of large black urban men). Ferguson's police force is under 10% black, yet the community is 2/3 black. Why was the actual white cop-killer in PA apprehended with little harm to him (and maybe no shots fired), but kids, mentally challenged, and unarmed/poorly armed minorities are beaten to a pulp or shot 10 times?

Would white America think it was OK if the tables were turned? Imagine if blacks were 60% of the population, had all the wealth/power (and Obama would still be president because he's half white), and most of the guns. Would they be OK with young white man after young white man (unarmed) killed by black cops or black neighborhood watchmen, with no convictions or even indictments? And all of this met the letter of the law?

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Maybe there has been some sensationalism and race baiting by the media and others over Ferguson, but this crap isn't much better:


I guess Wilson is on his PR tour, and lucky for him he's the only one left alive to tell the world what happened that day. He took a punch from Brown, and then "feared for his life". He is 6'4" 210 lbs, but he said he was like a boy vs. "Hulk Hogan" - that's how big that "man" was (Brown was 6'4" 292 lbs). Either Wilson's stupid or melodramatic, but it's pretty hard to die from one or two punches. He was in a motor vehicle. If he feared for his life, why not just hit the gas and escape (assuming the car was running)? Only when he went for his gun did it become a "life and death" struggle. During his grand jury testimony (when he was not subject to cross-examination), he said Brown was a "demon". Is that to evoke sympathy and/or an admission of his hysteria?

Wilson's recounting of the incident could be accurate, but it's quite peculiar. I don't know their stories, but I believe that Brown did not have a history of violence, erratic behavior, or aggression. I am not sure about Wilson's record on duty. But the way Wilson described Brown, the kid seemed to be crazy. I'm not saying it's impossible, but why would a teen, when ordered by a cop authority figure to get off the road and then approach the patrol car, suddenly attack the armed officer without provocation? It's like Trayvon - did he suddenly just decide to kill an adult stranger on a whim? Then instead of finishing Wilson off in close quarters, somehow the hulk-demon Brown ends up 35-40 feet away from the police car, turns around, and charges back at Wilson - ostensibly with intent to kill (even though the kid already passed up an easier opportunity to kill Wilson)? At that point, Wilson said that the thought in his mind was, "Legally can I shoot this guy? I have to." If he was attacked by a "demon" and fearing for his life before, it's not likely that Wilson could be so conscientious and analytical in that moment. This makes me really suspicious of his version of events.

Wilson repeated that he has a clear conscience because he followed his training to the letter and did nothing wrong. To me, that's like Bush saying that he can't think of a mistake he made as president. Honest people can always admit they could have done something better - it doesn't require deep introspection and intellect. And if you are truly in the right, that doesn't mean that you are not allowed to be sub-perfect. Any time someone kills someone else, something obviously went wrong. But for Wilson to be so sure and culpability-free, that suggests he is on the defensive and hiding something. Maybe he is (rightfully) worried that if he is open and contrite, his words will be twisted and turned against him. He is not out of the legal woods yet. However, I don't think it's very persuasive to neutrals or skeptics when you show very little to no empathy or remorse, and just keep maintaining that you did everything right and you are actually the victim.

Wilson is the professional peace officer with the firearm and the training. He has the power of life and death, not Brown. Maybe he wielded that power in accordance with the laws of the land, but don't tell us that all this was 100% unavoidable and 100% of the blame is on Brown. Is conflict ever so black and white?

"Is there anything you could have done differently that would have [avoided the killing]?"
"No."
"Nothing?"
"No."

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When you speak of intellect and police, please keep this in mind:


Bottom line:  They're smart enough to know their own limits, which makes them feel inferior.  Give him a gun and that inferiority goes away.  The police are poorly trained and intellectually ill-equipped to do a job like policing.  Police (in a civilized society) need to read a situation and determine the way to de-escalate it to protect everyone, not just themselves.  Instead, they exacerbate and intimidate.
If Brown was a 'demon', a police officer should know how to deal with them.  You cannot tell me that Brown wouldn't understand that if he punched a cop in the face, he'd be killed.    Every black child is told that he is perceived as a threat in society just because the color of his/her skin.  It is the 'talk' black parents have to have with their kids in order to hope they might not land in jail or get killed. 
Once again, it's bullshit cop story and because the american society is so racist, they believe it.
How long ago did we watch Rodney King get beaten?  Same as it ever was.  

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Yeah, "the talk" is a good point; most black American men know not to do anything remotely aggressive towards the cops. Yet Wilson admitted to firing his gun 12 times at the unarmed Brown. As you said, I am pretty sure Wilson did/said something offensive to provoke Brown, who responded like a testosterone-fueled teen might, and then Wilson probably escalated because he felt that his petty ego/authority was challenge and he wanted to put this punk in his place. Like Jack Reacher said, people join the armed forces either because they're legacy, unable to get a better job, or want to legally kill people. I think some people become cops because they have inferiority complexes and want to wave the gun/badge around and intimidate (like Denzel's depiction in Training Day).

Maybe I'm way off base about Wilson, but I know this applies to some cops over the years based on the long record of misconduct and corruption (and those are only the cases that saw the light of day). Teachers and gov't workers get blasted by the right all the time, but they always apologize for the cops. They are all supposed to be public servants, but yes, there are structural and psychological reasons why they may put their own interests over the public's at times. But when cops do that, people can get hurt and justice suffers.

The way Wilson, Zimmerman, and some in right-wing media/politics describe, young black men are a ticking time bomb of primal rage that can't be reasoned with. That is racism to me, with tragic effects. Same thing with some Muslims - they are accused of embracing a culture of martyrdom and death. "We love life and freedom, they hate it." They're barely human, so they need to be caged and killed like dogs. So sure, when a psychotic 300 lb black guy wants to tear you limb-from-limb, of course you regretfully have to protect yourself with deadly force. Poor Wilson. I acknowledge that some blacks and Muslims fit these descriptions, but the vast majority don't. And plenty of whites exhibit this behavior and worse (the majority of mass murderers in US history were white men, often educated and not that poor). So we're profiling all wrong. But maybe the error stems from, and is reinforcement of, the centuries-old stereotypes about white man's burden and black savages.

One thing I also wanted to comment on was the criticism over the rioting and looting in black neighborhoods in the wake of Ferguson, Rodney King, Watts, Katrina, etc. This is somehow validation for conservatives that blacks are the problem. I am not condoning the behavior, but when people are given no better outlets for redress, and day-after-day subject to mistreatment and negativity all around, they are going to react poorly during times of strife. It is not inherent to blacks - it is what happens when you marginalize people and leave them with no hope/future. The discrimination, harassment, and violence (economic violence too) that some black people face (often from non-blacks) are significant disadvantages that others often dismiss because they haven't experienced it themselves. I also think Obama was too dismissive and unsympathetic of the protesters' perspective in Ferguson (esp. compared to Trayvon), but I assume he is being extra cautious so as to not get blamed/associated with the racial anger/violence.

Wednesday, May 28, 2014

Rodger and the UCSB murders

It seems like we have this conversation every few months. The press and social media are active as usual, with a WP commentator even insinuating that Judd Apatow movies are to blame for Rodger's unrealistic expectations for his sex life (like how video games were behind Adam Lanza, and Marilyn Manson led to Columbine).


Most people are dismissing Rodger as just "crazy". He was diagnosed with mild autism but was not on any drugs. However, if all of us got thorough psych evals, I am sure over half of us would register something. After reading some of his "manifesto", he doesn't strike me as deranged or irrational. He of course carefully planned the rampage and kept his composure enough to convince the sheriff's dept. that he was not a threat. Personally, I think this case is more about Rodger's morals/socialization than mental illness. Unfortunately, perfectly sane people can hurt and kill others, as long as their worldview/values/ideology are compatible.

Most people in society realize that they need to address grievances lawfully, and don't have the right to be judge and executioner over perceived injustices. Teaching kids to have grit is popular these days too. At a basic level, kids may have better life outcomes if they learn to handle adversity without having egotistical victim complex and homicidal vengeance like Rodger. That is obvious. So parenting and communication could have made a difference. And then there is the cultural angle, especially among college-aged people where hormone-driven sexual assaults are outrageously high. Young men are bombarded by ludicrous messages that they are losers if they do not bed hot babes every week, no means yes, it's always someone else's fault, and so on. Fortunately better judgment and morals usually win out in the public space.


But most of us are subject to the misogynist culture, and most of us don't rape or kill. Most mentally ill people or gun owners don't either. So what is the key variable that separates mass killers from the rest of us? A tragic combination of these and bad luck? If we can't isolate the personal/social causes and take preventative measures, then the next best thing is limiting the ability of murderous people to access weapons.

Gun ownership rates are correlated with gun murders. The NRA would say causation is reversed - people need to own guns in those places because they live in dangerous places. But a reader on the KQED blog made a good point - instead of (or in addition to) the sheriff interviewing Rodger, could they check the database to see if he owns guns, and whether he bought them recently? For decades the NRA has blocked access to info like that, which has infuriated the public and law enforcement alike. Felons can't own guns, even if they didn't commit a violent crime. So why can a moody 14 year old, alcoholic, or a bipolar person legally own a gun? Some would argue that half of Rodger's victims died by knife. But that is just an anecdote - guns kill way more people than knives each year.

Saturday, December 15, 2012

More on gun control and mass shootings

I think D's smoking analogy is spot on.  There needs to be, on the whole, a social change in how guns are viewed in this country.  The USA was rated at 88.8 guns per 100 persons, that sounds like an awful damn lot.  That number of guns for, probably, no reason should be socially unacceptable.
And T I think guns ARE a lot like drugs and booze in that there is a widespread, non criminal, desire to have them.  "normal" people became criminals during prohibition, happens now as well.  Lots of otherwise "normal" folk are occasional drug users, especially marijuana.  It is the wide spread domestic desire, not simply criminal desire, that leads those types of restrictions to fail.  So in smaller countries or ones with a different history with gun ownership the same restrictions are not, today, likely to succeed.  

So instead of trying to ban laser sights and extended clips, do like T suggested and tax guns more, put some more ads on TV, if they are really bad educate the masses.
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 Well I would also ban assault weapons and accessories with massacre potential, on top of the taxes and education campaigns.

But I think I wasn't clear with my comparison of guns and Prohib. It's not about the % of use that is criminal as you suggested, it's about cause-effect. What I meant was:

- Prohib. was doomed to failure because the goal was to improve morality in society, and the vehicle for accomplishing that was erroneously assumed to be banning booze. They were barking up the wrong tree. Ironically as you said, Prohib. increased criminality, because otherwise moral people still wanted to drink or found new ways to profit handsomely from booze.

- The cause-effect relationship with gun violence and lack of gun control is much more solid. It is true that the majority of guns are not used in crimes, and the majority of gun owners are not criminals. Those people could be affected by selective gun control, but only weakly (we're not talking about a full ban on guns here, though I wouldn't mind that). For the minority who do intend to use guns for violent crime (or those who don't realize it until it's too late, like Belcher), smart gun control should make it harder for them to accomplish their goal.

Prohib. was like chemo - hurting healthy cells and cancer cells alike. Not that smart and obviously not popular or sustainable. But targeted gun control should make it much harder for people to commit serious crimes using guns (won't be 100% perfect of course), but not preclude the regular gun owners from using their guns for lawful purposes. Though the NRA is constantly pushing the envelope as to what constitutes "lawful" gun usage.

It may be hard to tell which gun user intends to commit violent crimes a priori, but clearly certain types of guns are more likely to be used in crimes than others (Tek-9, AK-47, high-penetration rounds, extended mags, etc.). So regulate those more. It's like how motorcycles have different insurance premiums and driving laws than passenger cars or semi-trucks. Target the laws appropriately based on the specific risk profile. Though for that balancing act, I would prefer that the laws err on the side of caution. I'd rather piss off a million hunters than have one more child slaughtered or spouse shot during a fight. 
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-statement-newtown-shooting-3-15-p-m-195212145--politics.html

It's very frustrating that Obama and other leaders have basically repeated the exact same quotes after the last few mass shootings in the US (Sikh temple, Giffords, Aurora, now CT). They vowed to "take action" each time, but we're still waiting. I know they must be frustrated too, but that does not grant them a pass. Since Day 1, reinstating the assault weapons ban (that expired under W) was part of Obama's policy agenda. I know he had wars, recession, and re-election to worry about, but come on it's been 4 years. He spent more time on DADT and other less important issues IMO.

This article seems to refute some of the points from the Freakonomics link that gun control "doesn't work": http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

Major findings (I can't vouch for the quality of the research, and opinion surveys can always be manipulated, but it is Ezra Klein and the Wash. Post):

- The South is the region with the most "assault deaths" (not sure if that means gun attacks only, or any murder).
- The assault rate in the US now is actually 1/2 of what it was in the 1970s, but that probably also tracks with the overall trend of lower crime in the US (and Freakonomics would say that is mainly due to Roe v. Wade).
- There is a strong correlation between states' gun murder rates and the strictness of their gun control laws.
- Recent mass shootings have not really moved the public opinion needle on gun control (though it did in the wake of Columbine).
- Similar to opinions on Obamacare, Americans seem to generically favor gun freedoms over gun control (but since 9/11 it's about 50/50). When asked about specific policies however, they are much more pro-gun-control.

Some more data on global gun ownership and violence: http://blogs.kqed.org/lowdown/2012/12/14/the-united-states-of-firearms-americas-love-of-the-gun/

The only nations ahead of us on gun murders per capita are basically lawless or war-torn: the LATAM drug nations, S. Africa, and probably also Sudan, Central Africa, the Middle East (data not collected for every nation). I'm not sure why Chile and Argentina are so high, about on par with the US.

Profiling mass murderers: http://www.npr.org/2012/12/14/167287373/many-mass-killers-have-had-chronic-depression

Since shootings seem to be on the news fairly often, we are inclined to think that they have increased in frequency recently. The guest says that's not so, as the US has had about 20 mass shootings per year (resulting in 100-150 casualties) for decades. I think Michael Moore tweeted that there have been 30 school shootings since Columbine. So while that is obviously unacceptable and tragic, it pales in comparison to the 10,000 other gun murders per year. Therefore it may not be best to fixate on how to stop mass shootings, since they are not the biggest component of the problem. Though if the mass shootings affect the populace and gov't enough to take actions that would also reduce the incidence of other types of gun murders, then that is helpful.

Some pro-gun conservatives believe that arming the "good people" is the answer, so we can kill the shooters before they kill so many victims. A more sane proposal is to increase mental health screening and "warning signs" monitoring. That is ironic because the conservatives want to cut the deficit by gutting a lot of social services. Therefore there will be fewer resources for mental health, and fewer services in general to go around, which will increase overall mental stress and possibly lead to the warning signs of homicidal behavior (but of course not every stressed person kills others). Not to mention more desperate people will be fighting over fewer resources/jobs, leading to more opportunities for hostility and conflict. And let's remember that a lost job or reduced gov't benefits affects the whole family, not just the individual. Any or all of of them could experience sufficient stress and depression to start to exhibit warning signs. So unless we discover a new funding source, we'll have fewer resources to prevent gun violence, and more people fitting the psychological profile of a shooter. It's similar to the VA finding itself ill-equipped to handle the huge spike of PTSD cases from returning war vets.

So what's the more economical alternative? Stricter gun laws and taxes (that would probably be revenue-positive). At least there is no gun deduction loophole that I am currently aware of, though I am sure gun makers have minimal tax exposure (plus they reaped all the bloated gov't contracts to supply our recent wars).

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A story of the same situation, but the dude didn't have a gun.  No one got killed.

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That story he stabbed 2 people and fled.  6 other mass attacks on children in 7 months.  20 dead and 50 wounded.  Not a lot better than gun deaths but I guess somewhat fewer dead on average.  But it goes back to my point that, for these types of attacks, guns aren't required just enabling.
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I'm sorry but I have to strongly oppose your claim that guns are not much more dangerous than knives or "home made bombs". Their track records and body counts are completely different in recent history. Those attacks in China are horrific, but keep in mind that their violent assault rate per capita is one of the lowest in the developed world (at least reported). If the US was the size of China, we'd have 40,000 gun murders a year instead of 10,000. I don't like how some anti-gun-control folks argue that there were mass killings in Norway, Finland, and South Korea too, places with fairly strong gun control. Yeah, there was like ONE such attack in those nations over 50 years. It's hard to make a society 100% massacre-free, especially when there are a few guns circulating, either legally or not. That is a poor argument to totally refute the effectiveness of gun controls. In fact it may bolster the case for them. It is very hard to thwart a methodical, dispassionate, planned attack like Columbine or Norway. But the fact that Norway and other such nations have so few "regular" gun murders vs. the US shows that something is working, legally and/or socially.

FYI the US is 5% of the world's pop. but accounts for 11 of the worst 20 civilian gun massacres over the last 50 years

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/20/the-worst-mass-shootings-of-the-past-50-years/

Imagine that the "base rate" of violent assault deaths per capita is X (hypothetically no access weapons, just fists I guess). Now add knives, home made bombs, or other improvised weapons to the model and it's like 1.2X. Add guns to the model (a device whose primary purpose is to damage flesh, target shooting aside) and it would be like 20X. I'm making these #s up, but you get my point. Guns may not be technically "required" for a violent attack, but they are a huge multiplier. I wouldn't just say enabling, I would say exponentially magnifying.

I mentioned this previously in the thread, but "mass knife attacks" will probably only work against children, handicapped, or the elderly. Others can defend themselves, run, and call for help after the first slashing. It's harder to outrun a bullet. Also you need to have some skill to be able to kill with a kitchen knife, whereas any bozo who played a video game can probably get lucky and make a kill shot now and then. Or putting it another way, I would rather take my chances with a deranged knifer than a deranged shooter, and probably you would too (if we had to make that choice). The weapon makes a lot of difference, so let's not pretend it doesn't. Otherwise modern soldiers would still be using broadswords.

Also, I believe it was revealed today that the CT shooter Lanza was armed with 2 semi-auto handguns and 1 semi-auto rifle when he attacked the school. Those guns were legally registered to his relatives, he didn't buy or own them. There is a big problem. Shouldn't we hold the owners of those firearms liable because they failed to properly secure them? It's not good enough to check that the gun customer meets eligibility requirements just at the time of purchase, we also have to check that they are owning their weapons responsibly and legally thereafter. The NRA would find that intrusive and unconstitutional, but it is not unprecedented. We have to renew our car registration and prove to the state that we passed smog. Otherwise we are causing a health and environmental problem for others. Same thing with unsecured guns and negligent gun owners.

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Mine was a response to gun control = massacre prevention.  China had 7 mass attacks in 7 months with 20 dead and 50 wounded.  All against children.  I'm not saying don't do gun control because of this evidence, I am saying gun control is NOT random mass attacks prevention.  Gun controls number 1 benefit is all the non massacre deaths that occur everyday.  The school shooting brings up gun control but that reactionary response is the same thinking that got us the tsa airport security.  We would be 50 times safer if we took an honest and dispassionate look at why the attacks happened but instead we were reactionary.  Craft good gun control legislation but for the right reasons.  I bet instead we got security guards at schools and more guns near children.  Massacre minimizing might be one of them but is a drop in the bucket compared to the total gun deaths in a year.

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I see, thanks. Yeah I agree with that. "School security" probably went overboard after Columbine, and metal detectors and rent-a-cops may not have deterred or prevented Lanza from doing what he did. But still, it's hard to prove how many potential attacks were actually averted because of those excessive, reactionary responses. So they may have had some value. I can't make a judgment as to if it was worth it.

We get a little irrational when it comes to protecting children. I guess that is understandable. You are right that TSA is "security theater", pretty much BS, and not really making us any safer vs. likely terror attacks involving commercial air. Smart gun control will also reduce the likelihood of massacres, though by how much is debatable. But as you said, massacres are about 1% of total US gun deaths, so devoting disproportionate resources to it (plus it's a harder problem to stop) is probably inefficient. Though let's be honest, America cares more about protecting kids like the ones at Columbine and CT more than stopping redneck-on-redneck attacks in the south, or urban violence involving poorer people of color.

Gun control doesn't have to be reactionary. The assault weapons ban expired years ago, but it could have been renewed by Congress before all this. I am not sure if it would have prevented the recent attacks of 2010-2012, but at least it would have kept more assault weapons and hi-cap mags off the streets for future criminals and shooters. Also I think law enf. would much rather patrol streets where they don't have to worry about perps potentially equipped with better armor and firearms than they have. As you would expect, the data regarding the effectiveness of the ban is unclear, and it depends on who you ask (pro-gun research says it was ineffective, pro-control research said the opposite). It is true that assault weapons are used in a small % of total gun crimes (probably due to their cost, size, complexity, and the fact that several states already ban them, even if the Feds can't). But in terms of the worst massacres, they are used much more often (and you can kind of see how their utility would increase specifically for mass shootings):

WORST 25 SHOOTINGS (assault weapons used in 14 of them, or 56%)

Aurora - yes (an AR-15 like rifle with 100 round magazine!, purchased I believe)
Columbine - yes (Tec-9 and other weapons taken from parents)
CT - yes (AR-15 taken from mom)
OR - yes (AR-15 stolen from an acquaintance)
Sikh temple - no (9mm handgun, but he had military training)
Norway - yes (semi-auto carbine)
Giffords - no (Glock 19)
Ft. Hood - no (3 handguns, but again he was a soldier)
Baku Oil Academy - yes (automatic pistol)
Binghamton - no (2 pistols)
Alabama - yes (AR-15 + others)
Finland schools (2 attacks) - no (pistol for each, but it's likely that assault rifles are banned in FIN)
V Tech - no (but he had 19 magazines on him for his 2 pistols)
Germany - no (shotgun + pistol, but like FIN, probably assault weapons are hard to get)
Australia - yes (AR-15)
Scotland - no (4 pistols, but probably couldn't get assault weapons)
Killeen - no (pistols)
Jacksonville - yes (M1 carbine, actually the only black man on the list)
Quebec - yes (same carbine as the Norway guy)
England - yes (assault rifle, carbine)
CSU Fullerton - yes (carbine)
Okla - no (pistols)
McDonald's in CA - yes (Uzi)
Austin - yes (M1 carbine + others)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Of course the assault weapons ban law didn't get 100% of those weapons out of circulation, but the NRA and others were fighting it at every turn. If we get a better version of that law out there, with more cooperation and support, the results could be better and may prevent or reduce the body counts of massacres.

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Have you read what classifies something as an assault weapon?  It is stupid.  I can't have a semi automatic version of an ak47 with telescoping stock, but if it isn't modeled after the ak, with all other essential functions identical, it is legal.  Or if I have a semi auto rifle that has a pistol grip and muzzle grenade launcher mount it is illegal.  However if I favor the externally mounted grenade launcher it is legal.  It is specifically designed for cosmetic features many of which are unrelated to lethality.  You want legislation that is much better than that.  How about no semi auto rifles or handguns period?  Or perhaps super strict limits on magazine size?  Things that actually impact your ability to harm and kill.

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Totally agreed. The original law was messy (their first attempt and all), and maybe all those cosmetic, confusing loopholes were injected into the bill from NRA pressure or whatnot. But as you said, version 2 should be a lot clearer.

I hope they ban:
- Any mags > 10 rounds
- Any full-auto/machine guns
- Silencers without a special permit and with a lot of restrictions
- Short-barreled rifles/shotguns (definition could get messy here)
- Any semi-auto rifle > .22 caliber (incl. shotguns, but single-load rifles are fine of course)

Mandatory 10 year jail time for any violators, with a big multiplier if the gun is also used in a crime. Also make gun owners liable for crimes committed by others using their weapons, unless forced to surrender their weapons under duress.

I am not sure if the original assault weapons law was retroactive and required all existing owners to surrender qualifying weapons, but for version 2 I would definitely support that (compensate them at fair market value). Higher taxes on new guns and ammo could help pay for this program and enforcement.

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Here is what the UK and AUS did in the aftermath of their worst mass shootings (according to wiki).

DUNBLANE, SCOTLAND, 1996

Similar to CT, a lone male gunman (Thomas Hamilton) entered a school armed with 4 handguns and killed 16 students and an adult. There was a lot of media coverage, victims organized, and put pressure on the gov't to act (700,000 people signed a petition calling for a gun ban). Both the Conservative John Major admin. and the incoming Labour Tony Blair admin. passed acts in 1997 to ban non-historical privately owned handguns in the UK. I am not sure how they went about confiscating all the guns, but a link to the actual text of the acts are in wiki. There has not been a major gun massacre in the UK since (going on 15 years), though a few people are still killed by guns obviously. The gun murder rate in the UK is 50 times lower than ours. But of course the cultural and legal environments for guns are much different in the US and UK, despite our commonalities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre#Gun_control

PORT ARTHUR, TASMANIA, also 1996

Evidence is a bit murky, but Martin Bryant was a lone gunman convicted for a shooting spree that left 35 dead and 23 wounded in a small tourist town (murders occurred over the span of hours at a cafe, gift shop, car park, roadway, etc.). AUS previously had fairly lenient gun laws (yet quite low crime rates), but that quickly changed. Conservative leader John Howard orchestrated a mandatory gun buyback program to remove any semi-auto rifles and shotguns with more than 2-shell capacity from private ownership. 85% of Australians supported the measure, but it was strongly opposed by some farmers and sportsmen. Howard was seen wearing a bullet-proof vest during the period, supposedly as precaution against gun extremists. There were 13 mass shootings (defined as >4 dead) in AUS in the 18 years prior to Port Aurthur, and not a single one since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29

A foreign student with mental impairment killed 2 fellow students at an Australian university in 2002, with a handgun from his shooting club. The gov't then enacted restrictions that handguns should have <11 .38=".38" 120="120" 25="25" 5="5" a="a" actually="actually" again="again" also="also" and="and" approx.="approx." as="as" aus="aus" barrels="barrels" br="br" bribe="bribe" but="but" buyback="buyback" cal="cal" conducted="conducted" crime="crime" decline="decline" denounced="denounced" did="did" effects="effects" enjoyed="enjoyed" even="even" expect="expect" for="for" give="give" gov="gov" gun="gun" hard="hard" has="has" in="in" is="is" isolate="isolate" it="it" licensed="licensed" like="like" lot="lot" mm.="mm." more="more" no="no" not="not" nra="nra" of="of" offer.="offer." offered="offered" on="on" opinions="opinions" or="or" pistols="pistols" program.="program." program="program" qualify.="qualify." reduced="reduced" research="research" rounds="rounds" shooters="shooters" shorter="shorter" since="since" so="so" sport="sport" structural="structural" study="study" t="t" than="than" that="that" the="the" their="their" them="them" there="there" to="to" took="took" trade-in="trade-in" up="up" us="us" vary="vary" violence="violence" violent="violent" was="was" whether="whether" with="with" would="would" years.="years." you="you">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia#The_Port_Arthur_massacre_and_its_consequences

Of course we can't conclude that the gun law changes in AUS and UK were the major factors responsible for the lack of massacres (maybe no massacres would have happened anyway), nor if they were even cost-effective, but those nations are showing no desire to lessen their gun restrictions. 

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I think the common link here which is hard to get in the US is a total handgun ban.  Most criminal gun deaths are with handguns.  I think somewhere (DC?) Tried this and it was eventually repealed.  Precedent is always hard to overcome.

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Agreed. Yeah it was DC, and the High Court over-ruled them. But it would have been tough to enforce anyway. I remember gun owners in DC were talking about storing their firearms in lockers in neighboring VA or MD instead. But at least it would have taken a drive to get them, and maybe they would have cooled off by then and reconsidered using them. I am not sure how prevalent unregistered guns would be in such an environment. But I highly doubt violent crime would spike after a gun ban, especially in a place like DC that already had a lot of violent crime to begin with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

Wednesday, January 12, 2011

AZ Shooting: shut up, Palin

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20110112/pl_politico/47477_1
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/10/132801364/arizona-gun-laws-among-most-lenient-in-u-s

Maybe you have heard about Palin's TV response to the AZ massacre and how she thinks the liberal media is supposedly blaming the political right and right-wing media for it all. First, Palin is not and should not be a spokesperson for our social consciousness, nor for all conservatives (half of whom oppose her running for any major public office). Just because you are famous doesn't mean we care about what you have to say. She's a celebrity, not a commentator.

Second, will the GOP ever get over their infallibility and persecution complex? Nixon was not a crook, Bush never made a mistake, and now Palin can't even shut her mouth. Yes, when a centrist Dem gets shot in the head by someone who was only able to do so because of loose laws imposed by the gun lobby and its GOP supporters, of course the first thing I think of is, "Oh those poor Republicans." Can they ever just be gracious, or at the very least shut the hell up if they have nothing useful to add? No one directly blames Palin et al. for what that deranged shooter did. But when she was responsible for 2010 campaign ads that showed gun cross-hairs targeting Rep. Gifford's district, at the very least she could have apologized to the victims for such inappropriate imagery, and caution others to not follow that example. Many other Republicans have called for restraint, toning down rhetoric, and cooperation in order to promote healing during this difficult time. But I guess that's too much for the Momma Bear.

Third, I find it insulting that Palin spent most of that drawn-out TV spot defending the First Amendment and freedom of expression. Considering the context, is she trying to defend the right to voice political extremism? Now is not the time to politicize a tragedy, especially when she is accusing the left of doing so already. I suppose the killer was trying to express himself too with his atrocious actions. We may have the right to say stupid, offensive, inflammatory things, but that doesn't mean we should celebrate it while a victim of possible political extremism is still clinging for life. And if I recall, it was the GOP that keep saying dissent against Bush and his wars was unpatriotic (Palin wasn't really part of that conversation in 2001-2004, but I'm sure she wasn't speaking out in defense of GOP opponents' right to protest). Well, everything changes once your party loses power.

For argument's sake, what if the shooter was an ultra-liberal, or a MUSLIM, and the victim was Glen Beck or John Boehner? Can you imagine the reaction from Palin and the right? Would their defense of free expression, and belief that the shooter was not politically influenced, still hold? All this makes me sick.

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Sorry, below is my "politicization" of the recent tragedy now. I am not blaming anyone for what happened, but I am merely arguing that it was potentially preventable if our leaders made different decisions. Plus I don't speak to an audience of millions, so I should be able to get away with more than Palin does.

Yes, Palin was correct that we Americans enjoy more political freedom than most humans today and throughout history, and despite that, political violence is exceedingly rare on our soil (I realize that the tragedy of this weekend has not been definitively classified as political, but the attack was not random and Giffords is a public official). Our fairly clean track record in recent history (excluding Kent State, Blair Mountain, etc.) is a testament to the strength and wisdom of our system. But one may argue that this shooting may have never occurred if the political vitriol of the past few years was not so nasty, and the dysfunctional Congress was able to pass or at least seriously discuss immigration, budgetary, and economic reforms. People in AZ and elsewhere are under a lot of stress from this long recession borne of greed and political irresponsibility, tired of bickering fools on the TV, and those living on our southern border are also very upset about the immigration impasse that affects their security and other aspects of their daily lives. Maybe the accused didn't care about any of that, but if America took better care of its finances (don't engage in wars you can't pay for) and cared more about improving quality of life for citizens (instead of giving tax breaks to the rich), maybe there would have been more opportunities and support services available for that individual to seek help instead of resorting to violence.

Or maybe in a nation with millions of guns in circulation (many which are not accounted for due to NRA resistance to gun tracking) and millions of disturbed people (many of whom are not monitored due to logistics and privacy), things like this are bound to happen now and then, even if we had a perfectly harmonious society. After all, in one-party-system, dissent-snuffing China, people stabbed and killed innocent school kids also. School shootings took place in Finland, ranked by Newsweek to be the best country in the world for having a productive, healthy, happy life. In fact, to me it's kind of amazing that tragedies like Tucson and VA Tech are not more frequent. More people die in America from auto accidents and Rx drug abuse/misuse than from gunshots if you can believe (http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201101070900). So these acts of violence can't just be attributed to violent video games, angry political rhetoric, or problems at home. There are unfortunately just random and chance components.

Among a certain population of people who have access to weapons, there are going to be a few who are willing to use them on their fellow man. Their motives may vary a lot, which makes it very hard to prevent them from harming others. Since the Tucson and VT shooters were both students (or recently students), now there's debate on whether to monitor for warning signs and force young people to seek help. Well, the VT shooter was seen for his mental issues and it didn't prevent his rampage. Surely it could have been handled better, but now are we supposed to turn each other in the minute we start to exhibit depressive, withdrawn symptoms? Educators estimate that amazingly one fourth of all college students exhibit some manifestations of mental illness or are on behavioral medication (http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201101120900). Student-vs-student murders have taken place from MIT to community college, and the weapons, student backgrounds, and circumstances have varied. Preventing an Al Qaeda attack is much easier in comparison, with far fewer variables.

So if we can't identify and prevent attackers, then we have to control the weapons, right? I know that the gun lobby is one of the most powerful in America, but if the government was able to break up Standard Oil, put a man on the moon, and freely give rights to minorities and women, it is possible. There is really no 2nd Amendment justification for high-capacity magazines and they should be prohibited (they were used during Columbine, VT, Tucson, and probably many other cases). Congress may take this up this term, but it will be an uphill battle. Fewer bullets mean fewer victims, and on the bright side for gun enthusiasts, it will encourage them to become better marksmen to make every shot count. Also, if we need licenses to drive cars, we should require certification to possess guns (basic competency, safety awareness, mental health). If employers make workers pass credit checks and drug tests, then the same should apply for gun buyers. We're just trying to protect ourselves and make sure only trustworthy people are armed. Even these measures won't prevent every attack, but it may help.

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I know what you mean. It's like when a coach fires up his players that we hate rival team X, they're a bunch of no-good punks, they're trash, let's kill 'em. When one of his riled up players pulls cheap shot in the game and sends a guy to the hospital, the coach can't just throw his hands up and say he never told him to do that. If you incite, you're partly responsible.

But for AZ, I am not sure if it's even established that he knows anything about Palin or watches FNC. He had some history with Giffords going back some years, so maybe it was just a personal obsession rather than a blind targeting of liberals or elected officials. After all, he killed a judge and a kid and others totally unaffiliated with politics, but maybe by then he was just berserk.

Those yahoos who interrupt town hall meetings or shout epithets at Obama and such are more likely directly influenced by right-wing media, but as far as I know they haven't really engaged in political violence. Maybe there were some assassination plots vs. Obama that we don't know about, but I'm not sure what to make of it.

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Just some updates on the AZ shooting story:

Apparently Loughner did say that he admired Palin and the Tea Party on some social media. He also liked Das Kapital and Mein Kampf, so like most semi-ignorant rebellious college-age kids (like I was), he's a bit politically confused. I think he distrusted government/establishment and viewed them as the enemy (yet he tried to enlist in the military?). It's too bad that he manifested his feelings on Gifford, who really contributes very little to government injustice. I guess this is a fairly common portrait of a paranoid schizo, unfortunately. Interestingly, some classmates thought of Loughner as a liberal pothead, but that was subjective of course.

FYI, the GOP opponent that Giffords ran against (and defeated) in Nov., Jesse Kelly, held a campaign event where he let supporters fire an automatic rifle, and used language like "targeting Giffords". Not sure if Loughner knew about it, but apparently people were ok with that type of campaigning until this weekend. Palin has also used gun references like "Don't retreat, reload". I have no idea what that means politically, but I doubt that she does either.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11district.html

I was wrong about conservatives/Teabaggers not being violent. Here is a local case with circumstantial evidence linking Fox News to political violence:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/07/21/oakland_police_shooting_beck_tides

Apparently Glen Beck has often railed against the leftist Tides Foundation (I've never heard of them until this week, but apparently they are on Professor Beck's famous blackboard of the liberal conspiracy). So one of his listeners (Byron Williams of rural Groveland, CA near Yosemite) was on his way to SF to shoot up the ACLU and Tides buildings in July, but was stopped by Oakland PD and got in a firefight with them instead (he had body armor and several guns). Beck had referenced Tides 5 days before the Williams shooting. I know it's not causal, but we invaded Iraq with less.

From Salon:

Williams' mother Janice told a local ABC affiliate her son often became angry watching TV news and "[h]e feels the people of this country are being raped by our government and politicians." She told the San Francisco Chronicle that Byron Williams was also upset at "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items." 

If Williams was indeed motivated by anger at the government -- and it's important to note that police still haven't commented on motive -- then this is, by our count, the third recent case of people angry at the government or the Obama Administration opening fire on police. The other two cases share some strands with the Williams case (bullet-proof vests, lots of guns, traffic stops), but they resulted in the deaths of several police officers.

In April 2009, 22-year-old Richard Poplawski allegedly opened fire on police who responded to a 911 call from Poplawski's mother. Poplawski, who was wearing a bullet-proof vest and was armed with an assault rifle and two other guns, survived the ensuing four-hour gun battle -- but three police officers were killed. His friends said he feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon."

This past May, Jerry Kane and his teenage son Joe opened fire on police, killing two officers, when  after they were pulled over on the highway in West Memphis, Arkansas. Kane and his son, who were killed by police later that day, traveled the country giving debt-elimination seminars based on an anti-government theory that all bank loans and modern finance are fundamentally illegitimate. Kane had also complained about being stopped at a "Nazi checkpoint" in New Mexico and fantasized about beating up IRS agents.

Let's say the GOP held Washington, and right-wing media was in defense mode rather than attack. Then if McCain implemented the exact same policies as Obama/Pelosi (and he certainly would have done some), would we still have these incidents from angry conservative people ostensibly fighting gov. tyranny? If the answer is no, then we could arguably conclude the right-wing media and hateful political rhetoric led to violent acts against the police and innocent citizens. What's terribly sad is that the shooters were mad at government and Obama on false pretenses. I am not sure if FNC ever alluded to Obama taking our guns, but if they did (likely) then they are contributing to misinformation that led to deaths. If, without evidence, you tell a deranged person that the government is spying on him, and he gets all paranoid and shoots the postman, you are on the hook right? I know there are free speech considerations, but where do you draw the line?

Sunday, April 12, 2009

Gun show loophole


"60 Minutes" had a great segment on the gun issue tonight, and a lot of extra info on their site:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/09/60minutes/main4931769.shtml

Even as the stock market has plummeted, shares in Smith & Wesson have nearly quadrupled since November, and sales of guns are going through the roof. [...] Since November, the number of background checks nationally has jumped over 30 percent compared to last year. [...] People are stockpiling bullets. Three hours into [a gun] show, empty stock trays piled several feet high. Fear of Obama has actually created a national ammo shortage. -CBS

Based on 2002 stats, CA had 9.7 gun deaths per 100,000 residents. I wasn't sure if that was low or high, but you can imagine CA would have a lot of violence due to the gang conflicts in urban areas, as well as the drug trade on the border. Well, it turns out that ALL the Southern states have death rates that are higher. This of course correlates with their more lax gun purchasing laws.

They used VA as a case study, since it was home to the Cho-VT mass murder, and it has a bizarre gun show loophole. It is PERFECTLY LEGAL for a private citizen, who is not a registered gun dealer, to sell you or I an assault-style weapon at a gun show without a background check. 30 other states have the same loophole. Supposedly buyers are required to furnish an ID, but since these transactions go unnoticed/unregulated by the gov't, even that cannot be enforced. In an effort to expose and close this loophole, the brother of a VT victim bought an assault weapon at a VA gun show and refused to show his ID when asked. The seller said that was fine if he would throw in another $50 to the sale price. So as you would expect, people from many northern states (with stricter laws) migrate to VA gun shows to buy under these lax laws. Southern guns have been implicated in many crimes up north as well. Even with all the political momentum and public outcry after the VT slayings, the VA legislature failed to pass a law to close that loophole by 2 votes. The pro-gun side argued that Cho did not buy his weapons through this loophole, but the other side fears that the next Cho will.

Supposedly the NRA types are patriots who love America and will defend our freedoms (to bear arms). But why do they support a system where Mexican cartels or Al Qaeda terrorists can infiltrate the US and buy assault weapons no questions asked? Do they count on the diligence/racial profiling of the seller to refuse a brown-skinned buyer? And I guess we can't count on Washington to make much headway, because they are either pre-occupied with the economic crisis, or bought by the NRA. Many of the Dems who won seats from the GOP in the last 2 elections are just as pro-gun, if not more, and accepted contributions by the NRA. 60 House Dems wrote to Obama asking him to reverse his pledge to make the assault weapons ban permanent. But regardless of what Obama wants to do with this issue, it's clear that he won't have Congress' support in the forseeable future.

Saturday, April 4, 2009

Mass shootings, politics, and the NRA


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/04/04/2009-04-04_who_is_jiverly_voong_aka_jiverly_wong_co.html

Jiverly Voong/Wong - said to be Viet but a strange name - probably a pseudonym. I don't know when we will finally tire of these attacks enough to force our leaders to stand up to the NRA and regulate arms better. Just this year (and we're only in April) more people have died from mass shootings than the year of Columbine. We don't have to be Germany, but I don't think it's a stretch to make it harder to own a gun than obtaining a driver's license.

Despite all the attacks, the Obama admin. (despite earning an "F" rating from the NRA's PAC) is too gutless/preoccupied to even challenge Congress to restore the Brady Bill (assault weapons ban). I have no idea why the NRA is so powerful, but they even have ultra-liberal Pelosi from SF (a city that tried and failed to ban handguns in a recent vote, similar to the DC law that was struck down by the High Court last year) eating out of their hand.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/some-obama-promises-get-punted-2009-04-02.html
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/reid-joins-pelosi-in-opposing-weapons-ban-revival-2009-02-26.html

The administration official said the White House has tried at every turn to fulfill the five-day comment promise, but some timing issues have surfaced on select legislation. The president has not publicly broken his promise to reinstate the assault-weapons ban, which is strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association. Still, the administration has taken a hands-off approach.

When Attorney General Eric Holder discussed the reinstatement of the ban in late February, the White House deferred comment to the Justice Department. Newsweek reported recently that White House aides subsequently told Justice Department officials to drop the issue. Even if Obama were to pursue the gun ban, it doesn’t have the votes to pass Congress.

-TheHill.com
So if we can't even stop semi-automatic military weapons from sale in some states, I doubt we can do much on concealed handguns. The GOP said that in the War on Terror, sometimes civil liberties have to be curtailed in the name of public safety/national security. Same goes for gun violence then; it may be our Constitutional right to bear arms, but not at the expense of public good. And it's getting even worse when thousands of American arms are being smuggled into Mexico to fuel their drug violence that has claimed thousands. Legitimately or not, our government and its affiliates have given/sold arms to conflicts around the world too, sometimes arming both sides. The US has jostled with Russia for top arms dealer status since WWII.

NRA background:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29953973/
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/27/supreme_court_strikes_down_dc_handgun

Gun control activists say they are baffled by the sway the gun lobby has over Congress. They argue the NRA no longer dictates election outcomes and that the group inflates its own importance.

"They operate on the principle of fear. They're trying to hold some mythical power from the early '90s over the heads of leadership that I think is totally irrelevant to what's going on today, but still has some long legs," said Paul Helmke of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Helmke said NRA's recent efforts to demonstrate its clout are partly "a sign of desperation. They realize this is probably their last gasp in terms of trying to be the force that they used to be."
-MSNBC.com

Monday, May 26, 2008

Guns, Germs, and Steel part II


Just a couple of quick things on this point. There are many people who
have made this point, including some Nobel laureate economists (Joseph
Stiglitz comes to mind).

There are, however, a few flaws (in my mind) with this argument. Many of
the major world cultures (on equal footing with Western cultures for many
years) were precisely in the climates that are argued to be
disadvantageous, like India, china, middle east, north Africa etc.. After
Greece and Rome, Europe sucked for a very long time. In fact, we know that
non-European invaders made their way into Europe quite frequently. At the
very least, Europeans didn't seem to have a clear battle advantage at this
point.

Thus, the concatenation of climate and exploration/colonial impacts seems
anachronistic to me. The similarity in climate between Europe and other
successful countries (US, Canada etc.) has much more to do with early
settlers v. late settlers. Early settlers intended to live on the land,
and late settlers intended only to extract from the land (e.g. Africa).
Of course Europeans settled in similar climates first, but this doesn't
prove that climate made the difference (it is equally plausible that a
European-style governance made a difference).

The million-dollar question then is: how did Europeans gain such an
advantage in exploration/war by the early 1400s when they didn't seem to
have it before? Is it, as you say, the climate that made the difference
or something else? Other possible theories include...cultural work ethic
(obviously bullshit), nation-state formation, and development of
capitalism.

Let me talk about the last two. Europe had the unique benefit of having
competing states (with fairly obvious boundaries) in a very small area.
The needs for additional resources and war making capability were very
high and apparent. China and India, on the other hand, weren't so
war-like because they weren't in close proximity to a state or culture
that could challenge them in war-making ability, so they were content
(enter the famous china gunpowder story...).

The exploration age pretty much starts at the same time as the commercial
age in Europe. Then exploration and resource gathering, extraction is
much more about increasing the wealth of the state, which in turn
increases the stability of the state (more money to technology
development, or war b4 the industrial revolution). Indeed, financial
systems were much more developed in Europe than anywhere else at a much
earlier time.

So, here are two competing theories with yours...where climate doesn't
matter. In one, differences occur due to the motivation to create war and
in the other due to capitalism. Unfortunately, the climate hypothesis
doesn't seem to work out empirically...but the integrity of the data is so
questionable, I don't think it lays the question to rest.

My personal belief is closer to the last argument. In fact, Europeans
were into commerce not because of the abundance of certain resources but
because of the lack of resources (spices from India, tobacco from the West
etc.) supposedly, the Brits had cut down all of their forests by the
1600s. There is quite a bit of work on societies that had more ships due
to geographic constraints having a leg up on the rest of the world in
terms of exploration and commerce (like the Dutch and Spanish). The
proximity of the European states made it so that each state could, and
did, specialize in certain elements and exploration provided a way to
increase a country’s terms of trade. In effect, the Europeans were able
to increase their pool of resources well beyond that of any other set of
civilizations. This extra economic benefit could then easily be turned
into extra war benefit through production and payments to members of the
population.

The thing that makes this work for me is that the earliest settler
encounters tended not to be violent. After about a hundred years, after
the Europeans had sufficiently built their war machines, they became
predatory. The disease point is interesting, but I’m not sure that people
in temperate zones could have handles tropical diseases either (after all
the plague started in china). The lack of tolerance may have had much
more to do with lack of exposure to certain diseases than to environmental
advantage.

In short, capitalism has a predatory effect. Countries that practice it
benefit from increasing trade partners and increasing their pool of
resources...just look at how china acts in the global marketplace. The
western European countries had natural trade partners and ships due to the
geography of Europe. The predatory effect of capitalism was then to
spread to areas where there was no obvious statehood to increase their
pool of resources (by settling on that land). After some period of time
(relatively quickly...by like the 1500s, maybe even a bit before) the
Europeans had sufficiently developed war capabilities to take over the
rest of the world. The rest is history....

this is an interesting topic to me...

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I’m glad this topic interests you and I know you have
studied a lot in these areas. Plus I have very little experience with the
evolution of economic systems and how that shapes human history, so please
keep offering any interesting and helpful points. Of course I have more
expertise in biological and natural history, but Diamond tries to have both.

Just to reply to some of your points, I never said that Europeans maintained
their top spot on the totem pole for all of human history. As you said, Mongol
and Muslim empires kicked white ass for centuries. But EURASIANS have held on
to their dominating position since "civilization" began millennia ago (Eurasia
also includes the Middle East and N Africa of course). Due to the ease of
interactions along the East-West Eurasian axis, powerful societies have
collided since ancient times. Some defeat or absorb others, and previous
giants sometimes fold and get replaced by new upstarts. As you said, during
the Middle Ages - Europe was in disarray, it's intellectual research squashed
by religious dogma, and brutal infighting between royal houses or religious
sects embroiled the major nation states in centuries of futile & costly civil
wars. The Ottomans had a centralized government that was more in control, less
tumultuous domestic issues, and developed scientific research, so of course
they took advantage.

I do not know why some dominant empires eventually succumb to rivals or
collapse. I am sure Diamond's new book addresses some of the causes (again he
is heavy on the environment), haven't read it yet but I’m sure we can
hypothesize some anecdotal reasons and examples. Geographic isolation and
capitalism let America blossom in relative security while Napoleon and Hitler
turned Europe upside down. That same free market mentality allowed the East
Asian powers to rise from the ruins of WWII and prosper with US help, at least
from a superficial perspective.

So you're right, Euros didn't have huge battle advantages over other Eurasian
powers for a long time, even the Romans were flattened by the Huns. But
Europe's foreign invaders also had livestock, farming, and disease resistance.
Even the most corrupt, misguided leadership (Vatican, ahem) would have easily
defeated Saladin and the Ottomans during the Crusades, if they had no cavalry
or germ immunity. I wonder how world history would have been different if all
the major powers got off on equal footing in terms of the major resources that
Diamond mentions. I wonder who would have conquered whom, but that is a fairly
vague and pointless thought exercise left for strategy gamers. :) SETTLERS!!!
Actually that is a good point, Settlers of Catan TOTALLY REINFORCES Diamond's
theories. I know it's just a simplistic recreational game based on mathematic
constructs, but so is human civilization (or at least economists would hope
so!). But in Settlers, whoever best manages the resource balance,
technological innovation, and trade usually wins (or at least has a marked
advantage). Of course the dice provide the luck element, which is also
relevant to the real world considering geographic and ecological differences
among the continents (plus many "lucky" examples, like how Ancient Japan was
saved from far superior Mongol invaders by the Kamikaze storm).

To your next point: climate. I think Diamond argues that "Euro style
governance" was definitely dependent on climate. If European peoples were
somehow living in Zaire with lower population densities, they would not have
evolved the socio-economic systems and philosophies that helped Europe
dominate during the Colonial Era. I think you have to agree with that. Modern
New World nations like the USA, Brazil, and Canada are, by extension, Eurasian
powers - because Eurasians created them to follow similar social
patterns. You have to look at how Eurasians and NATIVE AMERICANS used their
land of similar climates 1,000 years ago. People of ancient California and
ancient Mesopotamia developed very differently, even though the climate was
virtually identical. Why? I think I presented the arguments already in the
last email. When I mention climate, I do not argue that it was the primary
reason why some nations rose above others. Mainly, it's just to illustrate the
ecological truism that plants and animals spread easier in climates they're
more accustomed to (if geographic barriers don't prevent spread). It was the
spreading and sharing of useful ideas, inventions, and resources among
Eurasian peoples that really contributed to their dominance. That was
something the native Californians and Australians never had.

Right, going on to your discussion of European financial and imperialistic
systems during the Exploration Age. The tremendous competition among smaller
Euro nation-states encouraged innovation and aggression. By comparison (and
Diamond describes this later in the book too), China unified itself by 220 BC
under Zhou/Qin dynasties (by comparison, Europe is still not unified and
probably never will be, despite EU advances). Instead of pursuing foreign
expansion, they basically abandoned seafaring research, traded marginally with
Europe/India - but preferred ethnocentrism, to their own peril centuries
later. They "Sinicized" and homogenized everything, considering the Middle
Kingdom as the hallmark of civilization, resting on their laurels like Rome
(and a certain modern superpower too!). They did dominate immediate neighbors
like SE & Central Asian and Mongoloid peoples, but the vast distances of Asia
made European conquest less feasible and a very low priority to them (if one
at all). Ancient Chinese people spread to Pacific islands, and their knowledge
of farming/animals allowed them to out-compete indigenous inhabitants, but
that happened from 3500 BC (Taiwan) to 1000 AD (N Zealand), long before the
Colonial Era. Also, this spread was not militaristic nor organized/sanctioned
by government elites (as was the case with the Crusades or voyages to the New
World).

Imperial China got lazy and complacent, and of course eventual civil war and
social upheaval fragmented and weakened China for easy pickings by Euro and
Japanese powers. China's early consolidation and lack of competition made the
inward-looking Chinese less innovative and aggressive than Europeans, who were
trying to exploit every edge they could to get a leg up on their neighbors.
Therefore, maybe Euros were more open to accepting/exploiting new technologies
and ideas than Chinese, as with gunpowder like you mentioned. While Europe was
imploding under religious intolerance and Black Death, the Muslims became the
most scientifically advanced society the world had ever seen to that point.
Looking back, it's kind of sad that Taleban-style Muslim fundamentalism seeks
to reverse all the tremendous discoveries and open-mindedness of previous
Muslim cultures.

Maybe Indian history is similar in some ways, I don't know much in that area.
Just now the EU is barely starting to work together, of course under
tremendous pressure from American and Asian competitors. So it's hard to
consolidate, and maybe the example of China suggests it's unwise. But I guess
all the infighting and factions can either impel a society to excel, or cause
an empire to collapse. In a later chapter, Diamond discusses technology. The
old adage is "necessity is the mother of invention". But Diamond argues the
opposite. Inventions randomly happen everywhere in the world every day,
regardless of need. But sometimes you require an open-minded and conscientious
social system in place to identify and exploit useful inventions, thereby
assigning them to fill a need. I won't go into this much now, because I'll cover
it in the Part II email soon, but as quick examples - the auto was initially
dismissed as a waste of time, Edison intended for the phonograph to record the
last words of the dying, not play music, and the light bulb was invented in
Europe long before Edison - but the bureaucratic obstacles giving preference to
pre-existing arc or oil lighting systems precluded its implementation. As with
food and animals, you not only need a useful resource or idea - but a person
who is willing to exploit or improve upon it. The Euro systems during the
Exploration Age made them more able to take advantage of beneficial
discoveries and use them to conquer others, compared to the Aztec or Chinese
at the same time (who were complacent with less external pressures).

So again, it was the cramped geography and ethnic diversity of Europe that
engendered this spirit of competition and innovation, but it stalled through
centuries of Dark Ages before Europe (particularly Northern Europe) could rise
while other empires fell. Assuming that some cultures are not much more
"violence prone" than others, belligerent nations become so just out of
necessity from outside influences. Exactly as you said, Europeans were
competitive because they had fewer resources to share peacefully. Religion and
government systems also play a role, but I disagree that they appeared out of a
vacuum and singularly allowed Europe to dominate the globe. They were
important factors, but would not have emerged if European geography had been
different. Just like the ancient farming argument - you only switch to
sedentary food production if hunting-gathering is not lucrative enough to
sustain your people. Dark peoples in the Americas, sub-Saharan Africa, and
Austro-Indonesia didn't have the pressures and threat of imminent destruction
to become overtly warring and aggressive. Sure there were some exceptions like
the Aztec, Maori, and Zulus, but once they had dominated all their neighbors,
their expansionist aggression abated like with China.

And yes, that's what I said already about germs. Disease tolerance/resistance
only comes about after exposure, unless a freak mutant baby in Mexico just
happened to be born with antibodies against smallpox virus in 1000 AD and had
a million progeny who out-competed the other Aztec. For the Plague to be able
to migrate from China to decimate Europe 5,000 miles away, established trade
routes and cultural exchanges must have already been in place (and we know
they were according to the archaeological and written records). As you said,
the COLLECTIVE innovations and advances of Eurasian cultures were vastly
superior to the other continents combined, and not because of inherent
cultural hierarchy as we both agree. This was simply due to trade and
exchange, with capitalistic profit and imperialistic expansion being major
motivators. But it's chicken-and-egg territory here: did those government/economic
systems emerge first by genius foresight, then the benefits of trade followed
accordingly - or did the trade routes emerge first and the economic systems
then evolved to better manage and exploit them? The historical record suggests
the latter.

So it wasn't due to exceptional European vision or ambition, nor superior
management systems - which are just necessary consequences of advanced trade
(that Incas and Navajos never had to employ with other societies until it was
too late). Don't get me wrong, intelligent financial systems are definitely
impressive and ingenious, but I believe they come about almost naturally as
consequence of that many peoples and states engaged in complex, competitive
commerce where the stakes are very high. As you said, many economic systems
predatory by nature, but to an obscene degree the natural world has never seen
(not even sharks or microbes come close). Trade routes emerged due to
geography, coupled with the inherent human need to explore and learn, which I
believe is fairly equal among peoples, unless social/behavioral pressures
teach otherwise (like the Amish, Taleban). Capitalism and imperialism then
followed suit as logical consequences of many peoples competing for finite
commodities. As you said, the resources were managed by the financial systems
- which were directed by government to fuel exploratory, intellectual, and military
machines built to gain advantages over rival nations. An obvious side effect
of this process was the decimation and domination of colonized peoples abroad.


As a final point, I don't know if I agree with you that the earliest "clashes
of civilizations" between Euros and dark peoples were initially benign, then
got more militaristic once the funding and planning was in place. Conquest was
always on their minds, maybe as you said - driven by their government/econ systems.
Why else would you risk death to sail to a new continent? (As Levitt said,
people are driven by incentives and punishments) Surely not just for
"religious freedom" or other revisionist explanations. The Vikings sailed
around with expressed purpose of pillage and conquest (but that was against
other Euros). In "Lies my Teacher Told Me", Loewen cites sources (some by
Columbus' own words) showing that Columbus sent armed men across Hispanola,
Cuba, and other nearby islands for explicit forceful domination. He didn't
find much booty, so he took back slaves instead. I don't know about Amerigo
Vespucci. For the English colonists on the Eastern Seaboard, they may not have
brought arms - but their germs did plenty of damage. Some diary accounts
praise God for the "wonderful plague" that is wiping out Indians, forcing
their migration, and allowing the whites to inherit their abandoned
habitations and pre-tilled farmland in places like Plymouth. And of course it
only got worse after Columbus. It's possible that African explorers from
Maghreb or Sahel boated to Brazil, but the archaeological evidence is scarce
and there is no evidence of their militaristic intentions.

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This has always been an interesting discussion. I think we are the latest
two to engage in a decades long discussion about what historical
conditions caused the huge gulf between Western Europe and other nations.

Population density. It's interesting that you brought this point up; I
was going to bring it up in my previous email but decided against it. In
any case, it turns out that population density is a great proxy (or
'instrument') for development in older societies. That is, greater
development usually meant people flocked to the area, and there was
usually an explosion in population growth as a result. This led to Thomas
Malthus' famous argument about development leading to overcrowding and
overpopulation. Of course, he was wrong b/c he never saw a demographic
transition where people stop having babies as has happened in the Western
world. So, before the colonial age, you could pretty much look at the
most populous areas and deduce that they were the most developed.

In any case, several 'empires' had large populations...certainly India and
China did, as did most of the developed Asian states. Why did the
European population become so fragmented? It has to do with the process
of state formation in Europe, as opposed to the rest of the world. You
mention that the political systems that developed in Europe have a lot to
do with their climate. That may be so, but it's not clear how the climate
and environment obviously advantaged one group over another.

Clearly, the climates in Western Europe and Southeast Asia were totally
different, but this doesn't imply that disparate development occurred
because of this situation. Here's a little thought experiment I had to go
through on a similar topic. Assume that the environs of Europe clearly
advantaged its population over the population in China or India. The
logical conclusion is that we would see divergence in development from the
very beginning, as the Europeans had superior resources. In fact, this is
not what happened at all. Asian states, with limited contact with Europe,
often developed faster in the beginning. Later on, the European powers
developed quicker. This contradicts the hypothesis. I don't deal with
the Americas or Australia since, b/c of geographical barriers; they didn't
have the same opportunities for population growth.

Your claim, then, is that Europeans could not have replicated their
development if they had all settled in, say, China, all else being equal.
Of course, we are unable to test this counterfactual. But there are other
historical reasons to believe that the Europeans had certain advantages,
sometimes due to luck. The easiest example of this is the Mongolian
effect. The Mongols took over almost all of Asia, and unified it for a
short time. Even India, which was originally skipped, was taken over by
descendants of the Mongols (the Taj Mahal was built by these dudes).

State formation is very much a function of identity formation. We are
probably getting closer to Andrew and Neel territory with this stuff now.
In any case, people identify with one another based on some 'imagined'
bond and form 'imagined communities.' People in New York identify more
with someone from Tuscaloosa than London, even though their lifestyles are
probably closer to those from London. As a starting point, lets say people
have an original identity corresponding to their tribe. A lot of tribes
settle close to each other, but people identify themselves only within
their tribes. Along comes a 'foreign invader' who subjugates a bunch of
tribes for an extended period of time. Populations mix and identity
differences are changed; now we may only have two groups the conquerors
and subjugated. In this way, identities are merged. More often than not,
identities were merged by force. So, yeah, if the Mongols had started in
Germany, we might be talking about the powerful Vietnamese.

So in conclusion, as you point out as well, fragmentation and political
systems had a lot to with disparate levels of development. But state
formation and the creation of political systems are complicated beasts,
and, in my opinion, the initial endowment of resources is not a very good
proxy for these ideas. State formation is due to a set of very
complicated historical interactions, many of which occur in a space
outside of natural resources.

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Excellent points, and yes - of course I don't dare to claim that environment and resources totally dictate the success of a society. Look at Japan, they have very little domestic oil (the lifeblood of an industrialized society), yet their commercial empire is much more robust than Russia or Saudi (the largest oil producers).

Regarding environment (cumulatively resources, climate, geog, and interactions with others), I consider it to be like poverty-race determining the future success of a child. Considering affirmative action debates and other efforts for socioeconomic compensation, statistics safely show that rich children tend to do much better than poor ones. But there are exceptions. Rich kids can burn out or get fried on drugs (so can poor people of course). And poor kids can rise above their station to do great things, like Mao or Bill Clinton. But these are exceptions. Your background determines a lot about your future – not everything, but a lot. Nation-states follow the same trend. If Euro peoples were somehow transferred to Australia 15,000 years ago - it's POSSIBLE that they would have achieved similar global success, but highly doubtful. However, it's LIKELY that "backwards" peoples such as Aborigines would have evolved much different, more "successful" societies had they emerged in Europe. But resources and environment don't guarantee success, as Dark Ages Europe and further examples below will attest. Resources just give you a leg up, and it's up to the people to capitalize. As you said, the population density, competition, and ethnic diversity of Europe helped them eventually rise to the top (although they were obvious impediments to progress 1,000 years ago).

The notion of national and ethnic identity is an important issue and I can't get into it too much here (or this email will be 1 MB!). I think it plays hand-in-hand with state formation. Actually, the modern nation-state could not exist without nationalism and ethnocentrism to a certain degree. As you said, people need to feel like they belong to something greater than themselves, their family, or their tribe - then they will fight, toil, and die for it. But it's a double-edged sword: the ethnic pride of 15-16th century China made them introspective and complacent. The ethnic or religious identities of the Euro/Ottoman powers triggered expansionism and innovation (in the struggle to be the best, get rich, please god, vanquish the heathen, whatever).

I realized that I forgot to read the Epilogue (and quickly rectified the situation on a recent plane ride), which shed a lot of light on my recent dialogue with ___ and other good points on human social evolution. Just to address the previous issue of why Europe rose to dominate the globe when it’s medieval status was so meager, and why the ancient root powers in the Middle East and China fell. Again, the major underlying causes are environmental, according to Diamond.

No one would consider modern-day Mesopotamia to be “fertile”, so obviously a lot changed since 6,000 BC. Foremost was a gradual drying trend in that latitude and North/Sahel Africa, which caused drought and deforestation that handicap millions of people today. Since early Fertile Crescent crops were so productive, they were also over farmed. Without any knowledge of ecology or sustainable agriculture, early Mesopotamians clear-cut forests and farmed to the hilt. Unfortunately this reduced soil quality, and the low seasonal rainfall made native plant re-growth slower and more difficult. Food production happened to emerge in a very ecologically fragile region, but quickly spread to more forgiving locations in Europe and Asia. So the initial advantage that climate and flora provided for Mesopotamians eventually led to their gradual loss of prestige, as the Eurasian power center shifted westward. This “cycle” of advantage to disadvantage has played out many times in human history, also with China (that I will discuss next). Of course it may also apply to the USA, where our robust spirit of individualistic achievement, ambition, and industriousness helped us survive the tumultuous 1800’s and rise to the top in the 1900’s, but may ultimately spell our collapse when the negative manifestations of greed, arrogance, and ethnocentrism take over.

While Europeans were wallowing during the middle Ages, Islamic and Chinese empires thrived. China also enjoyed the benefit of earliest food production and favorable climate – but geography helped trigger its decline. As previously mentioned, China was unified very early (221 BC), while Europe never was and never will be (despite Caesar, Napoleon, and Hitler’s best hopes). China has less geographic fragmentation (smooth coastline, long rivers, large valleys, meager highlands except for the Himalayas), so that facilitated easier human exchanges. On the other hand, Europe is full of jutting mountains, water/peninsulas, and islands to separate peoples. The longest rivers are the puny Rhine and Danube. These barriers allowed independent cultures to evolve & diversify in a more isolated fashion during ancient times.

The ethno-cultural diversity in Europe far surpassed that of China, even before Sinicization (this can be traced with language variation too). Europe had 500 states in 1500 (40 or so today, depending on how the UN and Eastern Europe change things), and 45 modern languages. This fragmentation caused a lot of lost productivity and wasted resources through brutal infighting during the middle Ages, even if people could bridge geographic barriers to interact. In comparison, only one major language, alphabet, political philosophy, and centralized government existed in China. This consolidation permitted sweeping social action and fostered tremendous technological advancement. Chinese led the way in iron casting, gunpowder, paper/printing, reliable clocks, and compass/advanced navigation. Chinese seafarers constructed massive vessels to dwarf the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria combined, and such “treasure ships” sailed as far as East Africa in the 1400’s for trade. With a great start like this, what went wrong?

Every coin has 2 faces: unified, isolated China permitted early growth but then impeded competition and further advancement. Of course no empire stays unified forever, and as we discussed in the last email, factioned infighting in the Imperial Court set China back in a big way. The “eunuchs” (ewww) lost power in government, but they also controlled most of the shipping sector. So as punishment, the anti-eunuchs suspended seafaring and forbade future voyages after 1433, and the rest is history. Another problem with centralized government is one incompetent despot can spoil the party for everyone, as Germans, Iraqis, and Americans can attest. Backwards-thinking leaders can stall innovation or cultural “enlightenment”. The communists’ Cultural Revolution was a modern example of this phenomenon, suggesting that we Yanks aren’t the only ones who do not learn from our own gaffes in history.

So the initial connectedness, relative isolation, and integrity of China made it very strong during the Middle Ages, successfully quashing any emerging rivals and protecting it from foreign competition. But that same unification and lack of rivals made China more susceptible to poor executive leadership, complacency, and stagnation. In contrast, the fragmentation in Europe initially fostered much hostility, inefficiency, and non-cooperation. But emerging from the Dark Ages, the leading European states innovated out of necessity. As ___ mentioned, the development of capitalism, imperialism, proselytizing religion, and other political-economic systems came logically out of such favorable conditions and reinforced the competitive, expansionary process that eventually overwhelmed China and other foreign states. In such a hyper-competitive climate with many eager rivals, Euro nations either stowed the BS and made it happen, or were crushed by neighbors. Nations that failed to adopt useful advancements or ideas quickly fell behind those who did exploit them advantageously.

FINAL COMMENTS

To conclude the text, Diamond seeks perspective in order to evaluate the environment, cultural idiosyncrasies, and individual greatness as the main causes of human social evolution. In addition, he gauges the prospects of “historical science” as a valid method of study, using comparative and “natural experiment” techniques to shed causative light on why and how social history took place and continues to unfold. He uses analogies and techniques validated by other historical sciences such as astronomy, geology, and paleontology. After the facts, arguments, and beliefs presented, I’ll leave it to you to decide if it’s all worth a damn – which I suspect it is.

As previous comments have presented, major environmental factors governing human social progress can be generalized into continental differences, diffusion/migration rates within and among continents, as well as population size. Each land mass possessed variable resources and limitations for early humans that affected how they lived. Each land mass contained barriers that separated peoples to different degrees. And each land mass permitted the rise of populations of different sizes – of course more people = more chance for great inventions, leaders, and ideas to rise. Higher pop densities are not possible without robust farming and herding, which engenders the secondary, almost necessary consequences of germ exposure/resistance, writing and technology (to better manage and exploit resources), and complex political organization (to better manage and exploit people power).

But environment is not everything, as we all know. Einstein would have contributed greatly to humanity had he been born middle class Brazilian, but maybe not as a rural Sudanese. So how do cultures and individuals fit into the puzzle? Culture does greatly shape societies, as ___ argues and I agree – the systems of governance in Europe allowed for robust development of political-economic theories and management systems like capitalism, communism, democracy, and such to gain advantages over cultures that didn’t put much stock in such innovation (like the Navajo or Zulus). But on the environmental side, European political-economic systems would probably have not emerged had the continent been a tropical region without livestock and geographically isolated from Greater Asia. China was a great example of how seemingly arbitrary or politically derived cultural factors can change history for an entire civilization.

Another relevant example: the QWERTY keyboard that I am using now is the product of 1800’s typists who jammed their primitive machines if they typed too fast, so a deliberately inefficient keyboard was implemented to slow them down. Later studies in 1932 showed a more efficiently designed keyboard (common letters kept in the center near the dominant fingers) could reduce typing effort by 95%. Cultural and bureaucratic obstacles prevented this improvement, and now all of us will become afflicted with carpal tunnel (probably me first). I don’t think you can attribute much of this to environment, even though such decisions affected billions of people for generations. But who wants to change? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it! I wonder if they’ll say the same thing about us 100 years from now, figuring out why we stubbornly clung to our overuse of oil-based energy and transport (commercial powers blocked competing reforms of course), even against our own interests. Cultural diversity and decisions can affect things locally or even globally, but large-scale trends triggered by environmental differences can’t be stopped. It was the environment that probably helped create the cultural trends in the first place (Europe’s crowded fragmentation engendered a spirit of competition and individualism, while Chinese isolation and contiguity probably fostered conformity).

And surely the individual can affect things. Had Hitler been killed in battle during WWI or from the bomb planted by his subordinates in ’44, the world would be very different now. But I think that Diamond asserts that Hitlers and Einsteins will appear randomly throughout the globe irrespective of environment, but what they can do and how they can impact history are heavily environmentally dependent. No person, group, or army could have prevented Euro domination of the Americas, or China’s adoption of farming millennia before Austro-Indonesians. If Cortéz and Pizarro didn’t bring guns and horse to conquer the natives, Spanish missionaries and their diseases would have eventually. Nero let Rome burn, but he couldn’t destroy Europe even if he tried. The Crusades, Black Death, and Napoleonic Wars set Euro societies back quite a bit, but the majority of their political-economic institutions were still intact for later use subjugating other peoples and usurping their land, even weakling states like Belgium and Italy. Well, Eurasian domination seemed inevitable, unless an unlikely combination of events took place – such as a certain powerful leader (backed by popular ideology) doing really, really stupid things, with misguided, corrupt advisors and a very blindly loyal or apathetic populace … ironic?). But in summary, the effects of culture or individuals are more or less random – wild cards that rock the boat from time to time, but aren’t powerful enough to totally change the course of history that is heavily determined by environment.

So in closing, how does historical science work? Briefly, it attempts to apply scientific principles and methodologies for understanding human history (as we do with natural history). Obviously human societies are too complex and variable to conduct controlled experiments or useful simulations (as one would do in a lab). Instead, we can rely on observations and comparisons among similar populations to draw reasonable conclusions and trends. “Harder” sciences like physics and chemistry aim to characterize natural phenomena and establish predictive, deterministic laws that govern their behavior. This is unrealistic in biology and the softer sciences (with too many variables at play), so instead we must utilize large-population statistics over long periods of time (to reduce random effects). Although we can’t hope for perfectly repeatable experiments where only one parameter is varied at a time, we can compare populations with the presence or absence of one factor (in order to determine it’s effects). The Aztec and Incas rose to power fairly concurrently, but one group possessed writing and the other did not. How did writing affect relations with Conquistadors? The questions one can pose are limitless, but the chance of obtaining a reasonable, enlightening answer depends on the methodology. Historians tend to become too myopic and small-scale with their deep analyses of narrow historical periods. Of course Diamond doesn’t have all the answers, and his system is not perfect. He acknowledges its limitations, and errs on the opposite extreme: getting too general with 13,000 years of human history condensed into a 400-page text. But nevertheless, he broke new ground on the interface between science and history, and his novel studies hold great potential to better tackle the most profound questions that have always been on the minds of humans: who we are, how we came to be like this, and where we are going.