Showing posts with label property. Show all posts
Showing posts with label property. Show all posts

Saturday, October 31, 2015

Chinese investors and techies inflating global real estate

I know we're probably tired of the cliched lamenting over "the good old days", but this NYT piece by a CA author describes the boom-and-bust cycle of "CA dreaming" since the Gold Rush. One generation feels like the prevailing dream is dead, but then a new dream comes to take its place.

But what about now, as our state is more constrained than ever (economically, environmentally, maybe culturally)? The inclusive middle class, environmentally-sustainable (if it ever was) CA dream seems to be in jeopardy now, replaced by the "tech dream" that only a small subset of wealthy folks can enjoy, and constant environmental crises (that the rich can mostly insulate themselves from). Of course the top earners in medicine, entertainment, finance, etc. can still partake in the dream; contrary to media hype, tech is only like 10-15% of CA's workforce and GDP. But we don't need CA to be a bunch of high-end condos, yoga studios, "$20 burger" foodie joints, plus the old suburban infrastructure (golf courses, Costcos, 5BR McMansions) grandfathered in - when the tech yuppies want to leave SF to get more space. There's more to CA than that, otherwise what's the point of paying the high prices to experience it?
Top schools ostensibly lead to top salaries, which lets your kids afford to live in the top school districts later and continue your legacy. But why is there such inequality in public schools that creates real estate bubbles in the neighborhoods near the best schools? What kind of "free society" do we have when some schools have metal detectors and 1990s computers, and some schools are like this?

I don't mean to be like "woe is me, my life is so hard." I'm not happy with some aspects of my situation, but I'm trying to keep perspective. What's scary is a big % of Americans have it much tougher, in CA and elsewhere. So what is the solution? Clearly it doesn't have to be this way, and there are many "mid-cap" cities that have a great rep for affordability, quality of life, and good jobs/schools (SLC, Raleigh-Durham, Denver, etc.). They make it work without being socialist. But it's just a shame that CA, the most populous and most economically important state, is becoming an exclusive country club with an entrance fee of $300K household income. "This land is your/my land," remember? Can't we do a better job sharing and making things easier for those with fewer resources (especially as our resources are further strained by environmental problems and gov't failures)?

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I foresee housing and land as a large problem in the future, more so than now.  People want to live near where they work.  And culture and food and art follows the places where people live and have money.  So desirable living areas will always be clumpy.  California just happens to be very desirable for a variety of reasons so I can't see a way to get these problems resolved.  And ultimately there will be a distribution of incomes available to people in these areas.  People have a very hard time voting in poor people into their neighborhoods by mandate and capitalism won't provide for them when demand exceeds supply.  Not sure I have any solutions but to say that your (and my) situation is in some objective sense terrific.  To be able to, but not easily, afford to live in a world city, raise a family, take vacations, you are a global elite.  But as you noted, locally you are a B- so it is hard to feel as good as you should.  I think if you consider only asian households you are more like a C+ haha.

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Yeah that is true, but I think a common complaint is that the high prices are forcing out the "traditional" artists and culturalists from SF, so all you have left are the wealthy consumers and capitalists.

An over the top documentary about it from Pelosi's daughter: Alexandra Pelosi on RT w Bill Maher -- Destructio…: http://youtu.be/ksTRKwCDCLM

Haha in Asian households, B- = whipping and C+ = sent to foster care!

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http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Million-Dollar-Shack-documentary-Bay-Area-housing-6582122.php

First time I heard of the "ghost house" term referring to empty homes
that investors just bought to park their cash, but didn't bother to
rent out. You can guess where most of the investors are from. I wonder
what % of prime BA cities' housing stocks are affected. Probably
small, but enough to affect prices.

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This apparently has been going on in certain neighborhoods in London and other world cities for a while.  A product of Chinese money disallowed from buying stocks and the poor bond returns.  Can't blame them for finding the opportunity but it is hurting the locals.

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Agreed, it's legal, but it's making the median home price in Vancouver rise to $1.5MM (c'mon, Vanc. is nice but not that nice). According to that video, it's happening all over the Pac. Rim (NZ, AUS, SEA, SoCal), and I guess the desirable parts of Europe too (I guess Russians, Saudis, Emiratis, etc. are doing the same, but there are fewer such buyers).

This seems to be another global consequence of China's social-economic policies. Unlike the US, where ~50% of households own some stock (which is still way too low considering the ROI), for China it's like under 20% - maybe this is driven by the unproven (some might say corrupt) nature of their markets, and the cultural tendencies of Chinese to put their savings in cash or physical assets. So if retirement was more secure in China (better kids:parent ratio, more functional equities markets, gov't safety net), maybe there would be less demand for foreign property. And if Chinese are using illicit funds to buy real estate, then I also fault Beijing for not enforcing the laws and regs to make that harder to pull off. And I also fault parties in the US for not checking where the foreign buyers' funds came from. As you know, to get approved for a mortgage we practically have to sacrifice our firstborn, but it's all-cash home purchase, no questions asked.

But I assume that only the wealthiest 10% of Chinese have the funds to buy overseas real estate anyway - though 10% of China is still a shitload of buyers. This is offensive and I'm just joking, but sometimes I miss the '80s when the US and Western Europe were the only rich nations, and Japan was the only rising economic power to worry about. :)

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I think in China the basic idea is that land is something you can physically own and see with your own eyes. Chinese people (well people everywhere, but maybe moreso in China) feel that it isn't too hard to be an amateur expert in property prices - that you can beat the market basically. Finally, property prices are perceived to be relatively stable compared to other forms of investment.
Compare that with stocks, where who knows how to value anything. Stock markets in China are basically thought of as gambling markets (actually not too far off....), whereas property investment is the slow and steady, tried and true investment strategy. Everyone understands (or thinks they understand) real estate markets. Understanding stock markets is not something that the average Chinese person has much experience in.

Additionally, for very wealthy Chinese there is the idea that you want a property (or perhaps multiple) overseas where you can escape if things get bad in China. The Chinese don't like pollution any more than we do and most realize that overseas places are a lot nicer than most cities in China.

Finally, getting permission to convert money into foreign currency is a lot easier if you're buying property than if you're buying stocks.

Of course, the smart strategy would be to invest in low-cost index funds in a Vanguard coop account, but I guess Vanguard's marketing team hasn't made too many inroads in China yet :-P

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These days it seems that very little in the Chinese economy is slow and steady :P - they had a major RE bubble too with levels of speculation likely exceeding those of US-CAN. I could sympathize if the average Chinese person doesn't have a lot of good options for capital gains to save for their retirement, but I assume that it's the top 10% who are the ones buying most of the foreign property (i.e. the average Chinese can't pay $1.5MM cash for a CA condo).

I don't know if funds/pensions are very popular in China, but that overcomes the investor ignorance problem. Most Westerners have no idea about equities too, but at least they leave it in the hands of pros and pay them a commission (this strategy only screws them every decade or so with a widespread financial crisis :). And as you said, you can lower risk by diversifying (equities tend to outperform REITs and most single properties in the long term).

So there is a difference between a justifiable need for financial security, and greed. I am not sure what category most Chinese overseas RE buyers are, maybe both, but probably skews towards greed. That is legal but unfortunate in my book. And of course the same can be said of domestic speculators.

There is some harm in speculators manipulating the price of securities or silver. But then again, most people aren't paid directly from capital gains (except pensioners and rich fund mgrs). But if people are inflating the prices of life necessities, like oil, water, and housing - then it's a bigger deal. Like when oil rose to $120+ a barrel, some were saying that this wasn't the speculators' fault - it was just normal supply and demand. Maybe so, but it's pretty hard to precisely pin down causality in market price, which is of course an aggregation of many factors. But huge inflation in inelastic goods tends to hurt many but only benefit few.

Bottom line, I wish people would at least buy homes with the intent to use them, or make them available to those who need them. I understand that not all of us are "entitled" to an affordable picket-fence place with a 5 mile commute. It would be nice, but there is always going to be inequality in housing. Though I think we are at pretty bad levels in most of the economic centers of the world.

BTW - if you made it to the end of that YT video, you saw that horrendous quote from the real estate mogul d-bag with the Rolls. Something like, "I think a Googler working hard is more deserving of a home in Si Valley than someone who happened to grow up here. Just get more education if you want it." Yeah, as if the issue is that cut and dried. Hard work and edu is all you need to be a millionaire in CA, sure. It doesn't need further comment - but you are all welcome to vent. :)


Saturday, November 9, 2013

The SF Bay Area housing crisis



http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2013/10/30/kqed-launches-priced-out-the-high-cost-of-housing-in-the-bay-area/


This is probably he most important social issue for the area. It's strange that SF has a proud history of inclusion (and a pretty good record in overall today), but this housing crisis is driven by exclusion and privilege, not necessarily "normal economics."
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Well if you average the entire Bay Area, places like Brentwood and Antioch will bring down the average. But SF is #3 priciest per sq. ft. in the US behind NYC and HNL. Versus the whole world, SF is not that bad, but real estate is really messed up in older, more cramped cities in the EU and Asia.

http://curbed.com/archives/2011/09/27/heres-a-chart-of-the-worlds-cities-by-price-per-square-foot.php

It's not even about rent vs. own. Renting is very pricey too, obviously. I think one aspect of the problem is that landlords are taking rent-controlled (or regular) units off the market in order to convert them to TIC/condos for more $, or sell the whole bldg to speculators because there is no much insane pent-up demand and high willingness to pay from the upper classes. So rental supply is going down, which causes rents to rise too.
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If you hit Wikipedia for median income by city in ca you'll find that those areas are also quite rich.  Housing doesn't happen in a vacuum.  More a function of income and the real problem is income inequality
It also happens with respect to density. The more houses/apartments available = the cheaper the rent. Nimbys in the Bay Area would like to still have their .5 acre ranch houses on some of the most valuable land on earth, meaning that the poors have to live 2 hours commute from their jobs.
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Totally agree. The social justice element also comes into play that historically lower income, blue collar, often minority neighborhoods (Mission, Castro, etc.) used to be less desirable for yuppies and therefore more affordable and off the radar of speculators. But now they are hipster paradises, and with gentrification, the "traditional residents" can't even maintain their old lives and are priced out of the market. I guess that is like economic eminent domain.

Measures like rent control or mandated affordable housing are often economically inefficient and flawed (because they are written and implemented by flawed bureaucrats, like healthcare.gov), but sometime optimal economics must take a back seat to concerns about fairness and social values (see taxes, labor laws). I'd rather have confusing rent control laws and too high minimum wage than a total lack of regulation (at least imperfect laws are a springboard for iteration and improvement). Because as you said, with the huge inequality gap, what is the point for the poorest 60% to struggle so hard trying to fit into the rich man's world (yet not really be allowed to live in the rich man's world... I guess like the "Elysium" plot, which I did not see)? Most people with a shred of heart would probably agree that there is something inherently unjust with greedy politicians/companies and wealthy invaders "annexing" and developing suddenly desirable land, which leads to the economic eviction of the residents who were there before (through legal market mechanisms and the landlords/property owners). Pardon my melodrama, but it's scarily similar to the Trail of Tears.
I heard an interview about the subject a while back, and one new SF resident and tech employee said something like, "Assholes (his word) like me can afford $3K/1BR rent and are making it hard on the previous residents, but hey, I want to live here." At least he had clear eyes. It's just sad because everyone has one life to live, and we don't want to compromise or suffer if we don't have to - even at cost to others (esp. when others' suffering at our hands is mostly invisible). Sorry for stereotyping, but I think the Gen X-ers and Millennials especially (present company excluded) really fixate on what I like to call "life maximization." Similar to their work habits of optimizing, achieving, and disrupting everything, in life they want it their way and they want it all. Best job, best home, best network, best gear, best marathon time, best family... best, best, best. When that is not really the goal but the status quo expectation in SF/Si Valley (when excellent becomes average/normal, what do all the sub-excellent people do?), then that doesn't really encourage a culture of togetherness and SHARING. We don't need the best life... can't we just enjoy our regular life? Isn't enough enough? Can I give a little up and still live a plenty comfy life so that more needy people can get a break? People don't ask these questions of themselves enough (myself included).

Sharing is the key I think. This isn't my world, it's our world. There is PLENTY of food, money, and room for everyone if we share reasonably, but the problem is the fucking 1% and the institutions who advocate for them just don't want to (and don't have to). Americans and some other cultures really fixate on fencing off what's yours and amassing/diving the pie, so that breeds an adversarial, zero-sum attitude that conservatives really eat up. Therefore, it's especially sad when educated, young, open-minded "liberal" West Coast people do the same and may not even realize it. At least liberals don't bad-mouth and hate the people they marginalize, but that doesn't leave them in the clear (myself included).
The best teachers I have had in my life (not necessarily in school) really cared about expanding the pie rather than dividing it. How can we make everyone happier? Any asshole with a bit of smarts can compete and beat others. But a truly smart, wise person goes out of his/her way to cooperate, find ways to align incentives, and make everyone better off - not just him/herself. For all the smug talent and genius brains and big money in the Bay, that skill is scarily absent. Don't get me wrong, some people practice it faithfully and I am in awe of them, but it's not enough to stem the tide. That's why I probably will leave this place next year, as much as it makes me sad and for all I am leaving behind. I don't want my kid to grow up in such a culture. At least I will make room for another person/family to have my stressful job and little slice of condo.
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Sorry I realize that I was unclear about one point in my last rant (unclear about at least one point, haha).
The Google buses are often scapegoats but not really the problem. By no means am I placing the bulk of the blame on the young, techie hipsters invading the Bay. They are not really the 1% and not the real driver of the problem, they are just a "symptom". Except for Zuck who bought a whole block of SF for privacy haha.
As usual, the problem is the old rich Nimby fucks that A alluded to. They are the ones who gobbled up all the choice land decades ago, and who currently occupy all the seats of political power and business influence. They are the ones who invested/profited from the tech boom (more than the current workforce), and stand to profit from real estate development and appreciation. They took so much that the current hipsters are practically forced to gentrify the Mission and maybe Hunter's Point soon. I bet most hipsters would much rather live in Nob Hill or downtown Paly, but all the old rich pricks there are just cramping their style anyway (and even a Twitter engineer still can't afford a $5M Nob Hill pad).
As A alluded to, we are not in the '50s Levittowns anymore, or not even in the '90s nouveau-riche gated golf communities. But the assholes want to keep us in the past, because they like the status and lifestyle they have, and don't want to give up even a shred to others. The city of Paris (and many other ancient cities) is like a 10-layer cake. New generations tear down the old crap that isn't working anymore and rebuild to fit the needs of the current people. We aren't really doing that, because the old fossils control the bulldozers. So all we have is SF Elysium vs. Vallejo. 

But "the people" are fighting back, and at least voted down a luxury condo development on the Embarcadero. It's a small victory in a long war that the good guys will almost certainly lose. But we might as well smoke a blunt and celebrate while we can. :)

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Following-the-bankroll-for-SF-s-Propositions-B-C-4961999.php
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=243537913&ft=1&f=2&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NprProgramsATC+%28NPR+Programs%3A+All+Things+Considered%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results 
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i once heard someone say cities are either places to live or places people come to make money.  he was talking about SF and that we were at a crossroads.  it was when matt gonzalez was running for mayor against gavin Newsome.  The speaker was making the case that if Newsome wins, the city will lose its soul, it's artist community, it's diversity of culture and class.  that's what you're looking at here….plain and simple.  and, you know what?  the city sucks now.  It's filled with people who are in a hurry, who lay on their horns, who yell.