Showing posts with label social security. Show all posts
Showing posts with label social security. Show all posts

Thursday, April 11, 2013

David Stockman on the debt, Fed, etc.

I don't know much about Stockman's history, but he was Regan's budget director so that is a hit to credibility. And then when he had a "falling out" with Ronnie over tax cuts and spending, he went to Wall Street (whom he blames a lot for the Great Recession in his recent book). So that is strike two. But he did become disenchanted with Wall Street, then sobered up, and is trying to be Paul Revere about our political and economic woes.

We have heard most of his arguments before, but he approaches it as a conservative who is trying to save "real" capitalism from the forces of corruption.

Some points that I found especially interesting:

-Neither Obama or the GOP dare to challenge the military industrial complex, even with all the discussion about debt worries. Maybe the sequester was the best thing for us on the military end (but not on the public services and investments side). So many Americans are now dependent and suckling on the teat of defense (quite a mental image!), defense is "too big to fail" and they claim that any cuts will cause us to slide back into recession. And many politicians are OK with that because their re-elections hinge on defense jobs and contracts in their states. And we get basically zero ROI on most defense spending - they are just cash outlays that go poof. I guess the same can be said about food stamps, but that program is a grain of sand compared to defense. I am all for spending on infrastructure and *smart* research that will actually give us positive ROI.

-The Fed's monetary policies from Greenspan to today have been disastrous. The super-low interest rates did not ease borrowing or promote growth, but only allowed Wall Street to lever up and make more profits during bubble cycles. And for the retirees and others who "did it right" and saved responsibly all their lives - their fixed income reserves are producing nearly zero returns to live off of now.

-Stockman thinks that the Social Security Trust Fund is raided and just a confetti IOU. I have heard various assessments, so I am not sure what to believe - Is Social Security OK? One thing is clear - wealthy retirees should not be getting SS benefits, even if they paid a lot into the system for decades. It makes no sense to burden younger, productive, debt-laden working people with large payroll taxes to subsidize older, richer, secure folks who don't need more security. But you have the AARP out there, so that's that.


Clearly our financial and monetary woes are not a Democrat or Republican problem. They are an American problem (to borrow an Obam-ism). Both parties are now in love with irrational tax cuts and loopholes as the best way to bribe voters (especially rich voters). Both parties think that we need to spend as much on defense as the Pentagon asks for (like asking your kid the open ended question "What do you want for Xmas?" and being surprised when they say "Unicorn!!"), even though our military is built to fight threats that do no exist. Also, a moral hazard associated with a bloated military is the fact that we may feel more inclined to use it because we paid for it. If we had a scaled-down military on par with Scandinavia and such, then it would have been obvious that we couldn't occupy Afghanistan or Iraq. In that case, we would have devised more feasible, economical solutions to fight terrorism. And probably they would have been just as effective if not more so.

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I think Stockman is basically wrong. If you're concerned about the long-term health of the nation, what you need to be worried about is getting us out of this recession and repairing the damage done. There was a recent paper looking at the job health of the long-term unemployed, and the basic answer is that being out of work for 6+ months doesn't just mean you lose that time. It impacts you essentially for the rest of your career. There's an understandable stigma about hiring people who've been out of work for long periods, which makes it harder to get back into the workforce, when you come back it's at a lower role, etc. This is a big deal for recent college grads as well: young people who graduated in the last 3-5 years have been screwed, big-time, by our economy, and may never get back on track. This idea that reducing the deficit is "for the benefit of young people" is shenanigans.

On Social Security …

Legally, the Social Security Trust Fund is a separate organization from the federal government. It has its own dedicated revenue (payroll tax) and expenses. For a long time it ran a surplus, bringing in more revenue than it paid out. It invested that surplus prudently, in the world's safest and most liquid asset class: US Treasury Bonds. Anyone who calls a US Treasury Bond an IOU, like we're talking about a 10-year old's lemonade stand borrowing money for sugar, is deeply misinformed or trying to scam you. These are the highest-quality assets in the world.

Now, it's possible that the US government could choose to default on those bonds, causing Social Security to lose its trust fund. But a default on US Treasuries would be catastrophic. The debt ceiling threat was over a short-term, technical default, with every understanding that the debt would eventually be paid, and even that roiled financial markets. A decision to default on the US debt would, with very little hyperbole, end the world financial system. Every bank, hedge fund, money market fund, etc, would be insolvent.

Moreover, the folks who talk about Treasuries as IOUs describe this as being specific to Social Security, so now you're talking about a selective default on just the debt held by the Social Security Trust Fund. That is, the government (I think it's under Sec-Treasury, so executive branch) would have to decide to default only on debt to US seniors, while continuing to pay the Treasuries owned by China, by investment banks, etc. Can you imagine the political fallout, from deciding to stiff just seniors? That President's political party would likely become a swear word (if seniors swore).

Social Security has money to pay all projected benefits through 2037, at which point the oldest of the boomers would be 92. Beyond that, it's projected to be able to pay 80% of projected benefits through the end of the CBO's 75 year scoring window (nevermind that a 75 year economic projection is usually shenanigans - imagine someone in 1938 projecting US revenue in 2013). By law it cannot impact the US debt when it runs out of money. Now, Congress could decide to make up the shortfall out of general spending, but that's a choice they'd have to make (and political coalition they'd have to build).

Social Security is fine. If you want to talk about long-term US government debt problems, it's basically a story of rising healthcare costs.

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Yeah I find that narrative more believable and realistic than what the typical conservatives are claiming. As you said, there is no political or legal way that the US gov't could default just on Treasuries held by SS and keep its commitments to the other holders. That is good to know that SS is independent of the debt.

But I think Stockman's other point was regarding working people and the payroll tax that funds SS. It is the largest single tax item the typical young-to-mid career American has to pay, and does reduce purchasing power and ability to save/invest. Personally, I don't think that anyone with a household net worth of like >$500K (excluding primary residence and trusts) at age 65 should get any SS benefits unless they encounter severe financial distress later. They paid into the system, but now others need it more and they will probably be fine. Call it patriotic sacrifice. That way the "truly poor" seniors can get increased benefits (SS has fallen behind on COLA adjustments, and most seniors can't live "securely" on $1,100/month minus garnishing for Medicare premiums). The wealthy seniors will be OK, the poorer seniors will be more secure (lowering the burden of care on their progeny too), and the working people will have lower payroll taxes - which should stimulate growth. 

Also agreed that pretty much the entire conservative agenda isn't designed to help future generations and often screws them, so I doubt their debt ideas are so forward thinking. 

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The problem with means testing is that it doesn't really save much money, unless you set the threshold very low. SS benefits cap out pretty quick, so cutting off benefits for the top 1% only saves you 1-1.5% of the benefits.

The "is it Boomers" question is actually pretty interesting. It's always fun asking people why we're just talking about SS running out of money now, when the Baby Boom would have been obvious to anyone in a maternity ward starting about 1946 (the standard answer is "government can't get anything done"). But actually back in the 80s we solved the SS-demographic problem. Reagan convened a blue-ribbon council with a big complicated name, which most people knew as the Greenspan Commission after its head (before his Fed days). They were supposed to figure out how to make SS handle the baby boom demographic shift, they recommended a payroll tax increase, their recommendations were accepted, and the problem was solved. Say what you will about Greenspan, but the dude can do math.

So why do we have this problem? The liberal answer is that it has to do with income inequality. Through the 1970s, GDP growth was broadly shared; post-80s most of the growth happened at the top of the income spectrum. This impacts SS because it means that in Greenspan's projections, GDP growth would occur for people below the SS payroll tax cap, and get taxed. In fact, the additional income happened above the cap, so it didn't get taxed. I don't know what the conservative explanation is.

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Pardon my means testing ignorance. LOL the conservative explanation is "blame the liberals and takers". In a sense they are right, but they have the wrong takers. 

“When [Social Security] was developed, 50 percent of seniors lived in poverty. Today, poverty among seniors is too high, but that number is ten percent. Social Security has done exactly what it was designed to do!” - Bernie Sanders

If it's the case that only 10% of seniors are poor these days, then means testing should save a lot more, right?

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08/25/304387/bernie-sanders-introduces-bill-to-lift-the-payroll-tax-cap-ensuring-full-social-security-funding-for-nearly-75-years/?mobile=nc

As you said, raise or do away with the cap to get the system more in line with Greenspan's projections. In 2012, 4.2% of a worker's first $110K of wages went to FICA taxes. Let's say the avg. salary of the top 5% of workers is $250K (that may not be very accurate, but the 95th percentile of wages was $100K in 2006) and the US labor force is 150M. At a 4.2% payroll tax rate and a $110K cap, we are missing out on $44.1B per year. Total SS+Medicare revenue to the gov't was $800B in 2011. Subtracting Medicare and employer contributions, the employee portion of SS revenue is about $268B (SS is about 2/3 of the $800B, and employer-employee split is about 50/50). So lifting the wage cap would make SS employee revenue increase 16%.

The tax is very unprogressive. I would rather have employers and employees contribute only 1 or 2% of their first $40K of wages towards SS, and then the % grows above that like income taxes. 4% for $40-100K, 10% from $100-200K, 20% above that. Not that harsh IMO, but of course it is not going to happen. A worker pays AT MOST $7K to SS in a year. That is ludicrous for people making $200K+. The wage cap has gone up about 3-5% yearly (it was static during the recession), yet income for the top 1% have growth a lot more than 3-5% per annum. It doesn't make sense to economically burden the most productive members of society to subsidize the elderly who often have higher net worth. If you let the younger generations prosper, they won't need to depend on SS as much in the future. But as J said, the much bigger problem is Medicare. I also would advocate a progressive Medicare tax and much reduced benefits for seniors in higher wealth brackets (Obama is proposing this I think, but I'm sure it's meager).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Wage_Base
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/michael-shedlock/top-one-percent-received-income-gains-during-recovery
http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/federal-revenue-sources (never thought I'd reference these guys!)
http://www.ehow.com/how_4736068_calculate-payroll-taxes.html

Saturday, September 15, 2012

Moyers interviews Sanders on Obama

http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-challenging-power-changing-politics/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+moyers+%28Moyers+%26+Company%29&utm_content=FeedBurner

Sanders brought up a good point: with Romney-Ryan showing their hand and betting the farm on the Ryan budget that aims to severely cut popular entitlements (and many conservatives have acknowlegded this liability too), why hasn't Obama come out more vociferously on the issue and slammed them for it? Does that mean that Obama would also consider cutting SocSec or Medicare if needing to compromise with the GOP in his 2nd term? Obama could win the election right now with a statement along the lines of (and I hope he busts it out before it's too late):

My fellow Americans,

You have worked hard and played by the rules your whole life. Your parents and friends had a fair shot at the American Dream and many of them achieved it, but you're trying just as hard (if not harder), and haven't seen the same results. There are many reasons for this, and most are not my fault as some would allege. America means more than just markets and profit. We want a life, not just a paycheck. I love serving the American people in my job, but trust me I can think of better things to do that working late on national problems every night. That is what Social Security and Medicare are for, to reward you for your decades of hard work, for your decades of being good Americans, so you can have the most precious thing in your old age - health and peace of mind. And for those who aren't seniors yet, you also get the peace in mind that your loved ones will be supported, and you will too when the time comes. It's a promise, and some promises must be kept - even in Washington.

Social Security is not a pie-in-the-sky dream, but a basic right of civilized, free, democratic people. Some conservatives believed and supported this over the years, but the Republican Party has never acted on it at the highest levels. It was brought to you by Democrats, during some of the most challenging economic times - times not so different from today. Great Americans like LBJ, FDR, and many others were working for you, not the fat cats. I know the modern Democratic party has sadly chosen to pander to big money too (but remember that I and my party opposed Citizens United), but in my 2nd term I hope to remind us of our roots. Big businesses and the rich, who will want for nothing in their golden years, don't want to pay their fair share of taxes so that just-as-worthy other Americans can have a comfortable retirement too. I got mine, so forget the rest of you. Pensions are getting slashed, the retirement age is getting higher, and it will all get worse under a Romney-Ryan America. Yes there is some waste and abuse associated with retirement benefits, but I would rather have an imperfect system than no system at all, where everyone is on their own. That is the Romney-Ryan vision of America my friends.

So hear me now, every hard-working American concerned about his or her future and the country they love. Your labor not only goes to feeding your loved ones, but seniors all over America whom you've never met - and they are so thankful for it. Those old folks supported others in their younger days, and now they are getting taken care of by you. We honor our commitments, that is how a society works. That is how America should work, instead of every billionaire for himself. So this is my promise to you, my fellow Americans. If you give me the great honor and privilege of a 2nd term, I will improve - not gut - Social Security to make it viable for at least 75 years, so that you can be 100% assured to have it when the time comes. You did your part, now your leaders must do theirs. Make no mistake we should and will cut the deficit smartly, but not at your expense. I won't rob the Social Security trust to give tax breaks to the super-rich, as Romney-Ryan and many in the GOP Caucus plan to. That is a BETRAYAL. I do not, and Democrats do not, punish people for doing the right thing. So vote with your conscience, and let's do the right thing together. Thank you and God bless.


Hey Barack - I will write your speeches for $20/hour plus US gov't retirement (of course)!

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1 - Of course Obama will consider cutting Social Security and Medicare to compromise with the GOP. He's already proposed that as part of his "grand bargain" with Boehner and Cantor in summer 2011. This is the hilarity of all those asshat DC centrist column-writers who claim to want a centrist politician to come to a compromise to cut SS and Medicare in exchange for tax hikes: that politician exists, he's currently President, and they're still looking.

2 - Campaign finance realities prevent Obama from echoing FDR's "I'm hostile to the rich, they hate me, and I welcome their hatred." If you're mean to the rich they don't give your campaign money, and you don't get elected. Campaign finance really is the root of all our political evils.

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Agreed, thanks J. I was more suggesting that Obama hasn't fully capitalized on the SocSec issue, even if the data suggest he won't be the ideal protector of that program. So for the GOP to make their stand (for a campaign that is nearly devoid of substance, I'll give them credit for being this ballsy), and Obama not exploit it, is inexplicable to me. Maybe he's saving it for the debates, but I think it will work better on the trail or even in TV ads. Even if Obama may cut entitlements later, he probably will do less damage than Romney-Ryan. So for the binary choice (ignoring the possibility of voting boycott for now), Obama is the SocSec champion as far as many people are concerned. Plus the revenues gained from the grand bargain may go to some other social good. So I'm just saying he should run with that, and it will probably lead to a win for him considering the current campaign environment.

From FDR's famous "welcome their hatred" speech: about 3/4 of Republicans voted for the SocSec act in 1935. But in the 1936 campaign, the GOP leaders in Congress tried to use that issue (along with the passage of unemployment insurance, anti-monopoly reforms, Glass-Steagall, etc.) to show that FDR was an anti-business pinko. It didn't work then, and shouldn't work now even if Obama is clearly not FDR.

http://millercenter.org/scripps/archive/speeches/detail/3307